KernelTrap - reiser3

Linux: Future Of ReiserFS Development

Jeremy — Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:13:40 +0000

With Namesys founder Hans Reiser [interview] recently arrested as the prime suspect in the disappearance of his estranged wife, a brief thread on the lkml discussed the future of ReiserFS. Alan Cox [interview] pointed out that, "reiserfs is written by a team of people at Namesys, and particularly with reiserfs3 people at SuSE and elsewhere as well."

Alexander Lyamin, listed on the Namesys website as their "hostmaster and sysadmin", noted that the team was "rather shaken and stressed at the moment". He confirmed that ReiserFS 3.6 is currently in maintenance mode, then continued to discuss Reiser4, "we are still going through revisions, thanks to [Andrew Morton]. Chunking out patches, fixing issues and generally cleaning the house." He explained that this was the short term plan, for at least the next 6 months. Regarding the future he noted it depends on the outcome of the trial, "if it goes [the] way we hope it will go. Well... We will do fine. If it goes bad. That is where it becomes tricky. We will try to appoint a proxy to run Namesys business."

Interview: Hans Reiser

Jeremy — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:19:46 +0000

Hans Reiser formed Namesys and began the development of Reiserfs ten years ago. The first release of the filesystem, Reiser3, is part of the mainline 2.4 and 2.6 Linux kernels. The more recent Reiser4 is a complete redesign and reimplementation of Reiserfs, aiming to soon be merged into the mainline 2.6 Linux kernel.

In this interview, Hans discusses his background and how he came to create Namesys and Reiserfs. He looks back at Reiser3, describing the advantages it had over other filesystems when it was released and its current state. He then explores the many improvements currently in Reiser4, describing the plugin architecture and its exciting potential for future semantic enhancements.

Linux: Reiser4 Plugins

Jeremy — Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:24:27 +0000

In the debate following Andrew Morton [interview] posting his plans for 2.6.13 [story], the existence of a plugin layer in Reiser4 was discussed. Jeff Garzik put it blunty, "the plugin stuff is crap. This is not a filesystem but a filesystem new layer. IMO considered in that light, it duplicates functionality elsewhere." Andrew Morton went on to explain, "I think the concern here is that this is implemented at the wrong level. In Linux, a filesystem is some dumb thing which implements address_space_operations, filesystem_operations, etc."

Hans Reiser noted, "please remember that this is per file, per item, per node, per attribute, per disk format, per bitmap, per super block, etc., abstracting, not per filesystem abstracting." He explained a couple advantages to plugins being that it makes it much easier for developers to change the disk format, and allows for easy code reuse. He added, "the use of plugins forced all the programmers to think about reusability at every layer of design. V3 of reiserfs is way too hard to work on and modify. If you ask one of the team to code something for V3 instead of V4, they quietly groan at the thought. It is just so much easier to do in V4."

Andrew Morton replied, "advanced features such as those which you describe are implemented on top of the filesystem, not within it. reiser4 turns it all upside down. Now, some of the features which you envision are not amenable to above-the-fs implementations. But some will be, and that's where we should implement those." The lengthy discussion continued, an interesting read for Reiser4 supporters and detractors alike.

Linux: Low Latency and Filesystems

Jeremy — Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:54:20 +0000

Continuing the earlier discussion about low latency and Ingo Molnar [interview]'s voluntary kernel preemption patch [story], the conversation moved onto the affect a filesystem can have on latency. Specifically, 2.6 maintainer Andrew Morton [interview] noted that ReiserFS was known to have some latency issues in both the 2.4 and 2.6 Linux kernels, "resierfs: yes, it's a problem. I 'fixed' it multiple times in 2.4, but the fixes ended up breaking the fs in subtle ways and I eventually gave up." However, he did go on to note, "actually, the 2.4 low-latency patch does still have some reiserfs fixes, so it's probably better than reiserfs in 2.6."

When asked if ext3 was a better choice for low latency work, Andrew Morton replied, "ext3 is certainly better than [reiserfs], but still has a couple of potential problem spots. ext2 is probably the best at this time." Data is continuing to be collected and reviewed by a number of kernel developers, so the more noticeable latency issues in the 2.6 kernel will likely be addressed soon.