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KernelTrap: No Updates Into September, New Theme

Submitted by Jeremy
on August 15, 2006 - 10:23am

I'm unable to add content to KernelTrap for the next two or three weeks, as I'm in the middle of a move. Once settled down into my new home, I hope to find much more time for KernelTrap than I've had in recent months.

I recently hired Trae McCombs, founder of themes.org and linux.com, to give KernelTrap an improved look. The theme is not completely finished yet, but is ready to be previewed. I don't expect everyone to like the new look, but would be interested in hearing about any technical problems people may run into it so we can get them resolved before the new theme goes live. Drupal has been upgraded from 4.5 on the live site to 4.7 on the new site. Please leave any comments about the new site here, or drop me an email.

About the theme designer:

Trae McCombs, founder of themes.org and linux.com, has worked for CivicSpaceLabs for over a year now building Drupal themes. He's helped work on such high profile Drupal sites as Gallery's gallery.sf.net. Trae enjoys playing music in his band, and being an Ironman Triathlete. You may contact him at: traemccombs {is at} gmail {d o t} com. Or visit his personal website: http://occy.net/

New Look

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 15, 2006 - 11:26am

Not bad, but the left (article image) and right columns are quite wide, so that the middle (text) column is rather narrow. Of course if you run your browser at super-high-res you don't notice that, but many people don't.

tx... designed for 1024

on
August 15, 2006 - 11:31am

There is a big movement out there to design sites for 1024 width. And while we didn't specifically design for that width, it was intended to make sure things looked optimal at the higher res while trying to keep things "working" at lower resolutions.

You can see in places like [ alistapart.com ] and other sites on the net who have completely abandoned 800 width sites. I personally think this is a bad thing because it doesn't take into account those who are using lower resolution due to poor vision or whatever. But, bugs will exist at this resolution simply due to the lack of real-estate.

window system

on
August 15, 2006 - 3:07pm

who on earth maximizes his browser window, if modern screens are big enough to use *gasp* multiple windows at once? of course using websites that are unusable if not maximized is a reason, but why do web designers think their site is that important that viewers are too impressed to use the loading time between clicks to visit other pages in another window, watch tv, chat, work, read mail, ... and all the screen space is theirs? my eyes are used to A4 paper which is wide enough but can be read without excessive eye or head movement and in my opinion that is just the right width for a browser window (coincidentally, the strange north american paper formats are approximately the same width).

Heh, well, all those web/CSS

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 15, 2006 - 5:49pm

Heh, well, all those web/CSS design sites seem optimized for higher resolution, but I've never understood why there are static sizes at all (except for images). Make columns use a percentage of the window width, and it'll look great in any window size (and I think quite a lot of good sites do just that).

Actually, it's better to spec

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 15, 2006 - 11:37pm

Actually, it's better to specify width in em units. That way the size of the website scales with your font size. It's called "elastic design". :)

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/elastic/

I'm on IRC...

on
August 15, 2006 - 11:28am

I'm on #drupal, #drupal-support and #drupal-themes as "Trae" if you'd like to talk to me that way. :) I look forward to the feedback. I'm excited about it.

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Anonymous (not verified)
on
October 26, 2006 - 7:30am

tedst kgu; ;uig;gf jhfdhtdfh

HIISS

Anonymous (not verified)
on
November 3, 2006 - 4:20am

sadsa i pi0pipiu

Looks like frog bottom

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 15, 2006 - 11:32am

Usability:
It's really hard for the eye to follow what's going on.

Colors/graphic design:
That is the ugliest website I have seen since circa 1999.

Summary:
I love change; I always live on the bleeding edge when I can. But this theme is a major step backwards. Are you sure you want to do that?

Inter-letter spacing to wide

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 15, 2006 - 11:41am

The inter-letter spacing is too wide, my brain sees the text as:

t h i s i s s o m e t e x t

Which is pretty hard to read.

Seconded - reduced inter-letter spacing, please

on
August 15, 2006 - 11:57am

Please do reduce the inter-letter width; I might be in the minority, but I find the current width more difficult to read than the default.

At least add an option, becau

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 15, 2006 - 12:31pm

At least add an option, because I agree with the other anonymous: it's very hard t o r e a d t e x t s p a c e d like that.

Yep, another vote for this. I

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 15, 2006 - 2:47pm

Yep, another vote for this. I find the wide spacing hard on the eyes too.

Indeed

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 15, 2006 - 4:39pm

Indeed, this was the first thing that caught my attention when I saw the new theme. I have a really hard time reading "t e x t l i k e t h i s". So, yet another vote here.

Definitely, count another vot

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 16, 2006 - 4:51am

Definitely, count another vote against this spacing. It's giving me a headache.

When will designers learn to not fuck around with the default font face/size/etc?

OK, change the font for menus or titles or logos or what not, but don't mess with the font for large pieces of text! There is a reason I have set a default font, it's because I find it most comfortable to read long text in it.

I don't care about your "artistic vision", if it interferes with me actually reading the god damn site. It's the content that makes me come back here, not fancy fonts.

I have a really hard time rea

on
August 16, 2006 - 9:18am

I have a really hard time reading "t e x t l i k e t h i s". So, yet another vote here.
One more vote here, against the wide inter-letter spacing.

--sadyc

I'm a typographer. The letter

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 17, 2006 - 9:25am

I'm a typographer. The letterspacing of Verdana and Georgia, by Matthew Carter, is not just good but optimal: tracking it out is lunacy, except for small cap headings.

Same goes for Corbel, if you

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 17, 2006 - 9:32am

Same goes for Corbel, if you allow the site to pick your fonts.
The new logo is also terrible: using Impact for 'Kernel' is pretty nasty, but the spasm for 'TRAP' is inappropriate and repulsive.

Please Leave Line Spacing Alone

on
August 15, 2006 - 3:09pm

The line spacing is too sparse. It is actually unpleasant to read the text.

On a somewhat less important note the right sidebar is too wide, and leaves very little space for the main text if I try to browse from my Nokia 770 Internet Tablet (800x480 screen).

In addition to the comments a

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 15, 2006 - 3:59pm

In addition to the comments above, I also found the text color of mailing list posts too bright on my (LCD) screen, and I would prefer a monospace font.

Agreed. There's IMHO no sens

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 16, 2006 - 2:37am

Agreed. There's IMHO no sensible reason to use a gray font color, instead of, um, black.

New theme problems

MarkT (not verified)
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August 15, 2006 - 8:41pm

There are a couple of niggles with the new format.

The main problem is that when viewing an article the righthand navigation column obscures the last few characters from the end of every line in the lefthand column in the section that is in monospaced font (i.e. the extracts of e-mail exchanges on the kernel lists). This makes it exceeding difficult to read properly. The intro section of the article in proportional font is fine.

The layout of the main page gives too much space to the navigation column and not enough to the text column. It feels very squashed. I am using IE almost maximised on an LCD screen that is 1024x1280 (i.e rotated to portrait mode). Also - the subjects of the latest fourum posts only show the first three words before adding the ellipsis. This is not enough of a tease to get me to follow the links.

Additionally, on the main page when I run my mouse pointer over the "read more | nn comments" lines under each article precis I see that line jump to the right by one character. Once the line jumps it does not appear to jump back after the mouse pointer is moved away. Is this intentional? If so I find it mildly distracting.

The layout of the main page g

on
August 16, 2006 - 9:16am

The layout of the main page gives too much space to the navigation column and not enough to the text column. It feels very squashed.
I second that.

Also each one of the least forums posts would be better displayed on two lines. First containing only the description, and the second the date and topic.

--sadyc

- I also find that Inter-lett

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 16, 2006 - 4:56am

- I also find that Inter-letter spacing is too wide.

- The grey color of comments on my LCD screen is too bright.

- Just a detail, but it takes about 0.5 to 1 second on my (old) computer to highlight any link I'm pointing on. So if I move my mouse quickly on a list of links, the highlight lags. It makes the navigation feel a bit "heavy", but I'm not sure what is causing this. (I'm using Epiphany).

Otherwise, I like the new theme. It looks less "cold" :-)
I also like the vertical separation in two parts instead of three (currently). Good job!

Density

Hrunting Johnson (not verified)
on
August 16, 2006 - 9:53am

I'm throwing my votes in the letter-spacing-too-wide, font-contrast-too-low, and monospace-font-for-email-text camps.

More importantly, I think all of those are causing a larger general problem: the functional density of the new design is too low. On the current site, I get the 10 latest forum posts, 3 stories, 7 ads (counting the OSL sponsor), the forum-topics sidebar with 9 entries, and the who's-online sidebar with 4 entries. My desktop window is 1600x1200, and my browser is about 1200x1200 square. Navigation is tiny on the sidebar. The user/login is easy to find but not overwhelming.

On the new design, I get 9 of the latest forum posts on the side, one story (!!), and one ad. Navigation takes up a huge amount of space (both content and whitespace) on the sidebar for only two items. I don't see a user/pass box, but maybe that's not done yet. I have to scroll to see who's online.

While I would say the existing design is beautiful (it's a bit drab for my tastes), it is highly functional, and for the kernel development community, I think that should be the driving force behind any redesign. There's a new design aesthetic, sure, but it has ruined the functionality of the site. I'm not exaggerating when I say, "ruined." Getting only 1 story on a 1200x1200 browser window is horrible site layout unless someone is trying for an artistic effect where looks are more important than content. And I don't think that's the goal here.

Please take these comments as constructive criticism. I also don't like the aesthetics of the new site, but that's a whole other different-strokes-for-different-folks conversation. From a purely functional viewpoint, the new design is a step backward.

Advertising optimisation ?

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 16, 2006 - 8:37pm

I find that the new look improve the contrast of the ads which become more snazzy. I barely notice them on the regular site. I guess this is the reward for this great quality content site... Keep up !

(ad-block is still my friend)

Top menu too slow

Jared Lash (not verified)
on
August 16, 2006 - 10:44pm

The top (horizontal) menu lags a lot when hovering over the links in Firefox 1.5.0.5 on Linux.

Not only the top menu, every

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 17, 2006 - 4:54am

Not only the top menu, every link suffers from this problem.

confirm

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 17, 2006 - 8:39am

I experience this too. Moving the mouse back and forth between two links gets the CPU to 100%.
Firefox 1.5.0.6 on Debian GNU/Linux, i386
--
Douglas

same here

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 17, 2006 - 5:22pm

I receive slow performance when hovering over any link on that page as well.

Firefox 1.5.0.6, Fedora Core 5, nVidia driver.

Hmmm

on
August 18, 2006 - 1:23pm

I don't see this on my box. Ubuntu 6.06.1, AMD64, Firefox 1.5.0.5, ATI.

A couple of issues about the new look...

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 19, 2006 - 12:09pm

A couple of things about the new site look:


  • The new logo is really nice!
  • The grey text on white in the mailing-list postings of the articles is very difficult to read. I had to hi-lite the article to read it. Please consider making this text darker.
  • The right edge of the mailing-list postings get cut off at some resolutions. This is particularily bad in IE where I can't read the full article text even at 1600x1200 with the browser maximized.
  • The style and color of the line when hovering over links is barely visible against the white background.
  • The logo appears inset from the rest of the banner bar in IE.
  • In Firefox, when you hover over a menu item ("forums", "news"), the rest of the page is moved downwards.
  • The navigation pane appears too large in relation to the article column.

Problems with links

on
August 20, 2006 - 4:08pm

I have problems with the links on the new site. Whenever I move the mouse over a link the entire paragraph is reformatted with just one or two words on each line. I use mozilla-1.7.13-1.1.fc5.

I like the overall appearance

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 21, 2006 - 6:43pm

I like the overall appearance. But:
The font size used for articles is too small and the inter-character and inter-line spacing too large. As a result, I have trouble reading it and the word density is rather low. The old format has this better.

Beautiful but less readable

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 22, 2006 - 7:05am

As many others commented out, I find the letterspacing of the choosen font very hard to read. Maybe an other font, like the one used in the old website version, would be a better option ?

The greyed color of text in comments is also harder to read (especially when combined with the fonts letterspacing problem).

But all in all, the new design is very beautiful, and more fresh.

Criticism

Anonymous (not verified)
on
August 22, 2006 - 3:01pm

I must say that I agree with the consensus critiques: font-contrast is poor, kerning is waaay off, story-width is much to narrow, monospace fonts for email much preferred, and the font choice up top is .. too irregular.

A big thing for me is the color of the top logo/bar -- while I admit to generally preferring a cold color-temperature (most seem to), that green is like trying to read all-caps text: it's garish and alarming.

I really prefer the current setup: it's clean, well-delineated, very functional. It delivers the content with a very high signal-to-noise ratio. In my perfect world I'd be able to continue seeing the content in the current format -- hey I'd register kerneltrap-old-and-sweet.org for you :) If the design does model-view-controller well, it'd be trivial. Heh.

Love the site's content, regardless.

Lots of great feedback...

on
September 16, 2006 - 11:25pm

Jeremy has been busy, and I've been working on some other projects. I now have time to re-focus on fixing these issues.

I have tried to address the main problems most people here are saying.

1. You don't dig the letter-spacing. Fair enough, I took it out. :)

2. the <pre> stuff, no one liked the grey, to be honest, I didn't like it either. I got to thinking, and what would be cooler than to have the pre stuff mimic the colors most terms (by default) have. Which is white text on black background. This is subject to Jeremy's approval of course!

I'll dig through and try and address some of the other issues too. Thanks for the great feedback. I'm sure we can work on this to make it a theme 90% of us can agree mostly on and will help improve the overall experience.

Cheers,
Trae

PS. Not sure about the performance thing on the css hovers... I have FF/Lin on Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper here and while I see some noticable lag after I pass my mouse over them a lot of times, it's not something I would do on a regular basis. If anyone has a suggestion as to why this could be happening, I'd love feedback and will try and fix it.

Light on dark, but with a thick font.

on
September 18, 2006 - 11:37am

One tidbit for the light-on-dark text. If you go that route (and I tend to approve of it), choose a font that has reasonably thick strokes to it. Either that, or leave it unspecified so we can pick it in our browsers.

Edit: But do specify that the browser use a fixed-width font.

bad contrast in quoted emails

Andrew Klossner (not verified)
on
September 18, 2006 - 8:08pm

I can't read the gray-on-black text in the quoted email in http://newkerneltrap.osuosl.org/node/6737

For those of us in the bifocal set, anything other than black text on a light background is problematic. Even white text on black makes my eyes water.

Not so well

Anonymous (not verified)
on
September 24, 2006 - 4:53am

Sorry, Jeremy, you say you don't care whether we like it. So you won't care, but nevertheless the new design looks rather crappy to me, it's an rather badly-designed everyday blog design. It's neither easy to read nor good looking. PLEASE don't use it.

re: Not so well

on
September 25, 2006 - 3:43pm

Actually, I do care what people think of the theme. But having updated themes on this site before, I'm well aware that there's no way to make everyone happy. There will people that love the new look, people that hate it, and the vast majority who really don't care so long as content keeps coming.

If you've got specific suggestions as to what can be done to improve the new theme, please make them. What about the new theme makes it not easy for you to read?

Gimme the last word on the "redesign".

David Richter (not verified)
on
January 8, 2007 - 5:47pm

I'm curious -- along with many other folks, I posted awhile ago with succinct criticisms of the new design. I understand that a lot of things can be reduced to personal preference, but some things are more objectively assailable.

Mixing green and red text, e.g., is patently stupid and hard to read: they are at opposite ends of the spectrum. There's a reason nobody else does that. This is a ground-level basic UI thing.

Other things, like the absurd amount of whitespace... well, people have already enumerated a long list of 1) fairly well-thought-out critiques which are 2) suprisingly in agreement, to a large degree.

My question is simple: is it really going to stay like this? Really? It sounds petulant, but that's honestly not my intent: I just don't want to read things in this less-consistent, less-considered, more arbitrarily-formatted design and will probably ditch kerneltrap over this if this look is here to stay.

As I said before, I'd be happy to buy ogkerneltrap.org if I could see the same content without the schlock.

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