Here is why Windows is better than Linux. (1) Installing programs is easy with windows because there is a standard. Try installing VLC and you'll see what I mean. (2) Anytime you try to install or change something on your own computer you have to type a password. And god forbid you run the program in root, then you get every warning that exists. (3) Installing anything good in Linux requires an entire weekend ending up in learning how to reinvent the wheel. (4) To truly use any Linux distribution your going to have to either take classes in how Linux works or spend time reading a lot of books and forums.
My love for linux has turned to hate.
T Bone
Missing the obviously obvious
Redundancy is such a joy to tinker with.
Listen, I want to ask you a question. Why do you insist on purchasing a product that requires you to purchase another product in order for that first-purchased product to work? Any other company or entity would be brought up on RICO charges for doing such a thing...not MS, obviously.
Now, if you think that's bad, let's take it a step further. I am employed by a tech support company that works for over a dozen isp's. Do you want to know the largest hindrance to a customer getting connected? The anti-virus and firewall software they are forced to use because of MS insecurity.
So now we put it all together. Purchase or obtain any Windows operating system and you are forced to use third party software to protect it and/or make it run the way it is supposed to...but the moment the virus patterns update or some dll gets a hair up its ass, your connection is blocked and you spend an hour on hold waiting for me to tell you to turn off your virus protection/firewall and you can connect again.
Below, there was a comment made in answer to another and I will quote it now:
"Your reasons for Windows being better than Linux are typical of someone who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about!"
Let me add my voice of agreement to that. You would rather suffer at the hands of a monopolist who has already calculated the money they are going to get you to spend, rather than spend a couple of days learning how to do something better.
and please...don't trot out the "It's too hard" excuse. I run two linux labs with 12 year olds. They pick it up in less than 30 minutes.
Go ahead...flame on pal....but then put your money where your mouth is. Freshly install Windows...XP or Vista, I don't care which one, connect it to the internet without any other programs running. No AV, no spyware killers...nada, and I will do the same with my newly installed Linux box. A third party will remotely scan each computer after 48 hours of continuous connection. The first to be detected with a virus or invasion has to give the other his computer.
Game on.
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MICROSOFT SHILL!
MICROSOFT SHILL! THEY PAID YOU TO SAY THAT!
maya is linux native. pixars
maya is linux native. pixars entire inhouse software suite is linux based. 3d == linux
How to take backup for harddisk partition
Hi,
I am using XP. To take partion backup, we are planing to use Acronus(like norton ghost) and trying to automate this process. After restoring the image, its showing one message 'successfully done'. Here we have to click 'ok'. I guess it is in DOS mode, with its own active partion. Is there any other way to supress this dialog. Please help me on these:
I am comfirtable with TC and Microsoft C. I know TSR programming and interrupts.
1. How to change active partition
2. How to copy default program, which should run automatically from active partition
3. How to copy used sectors/tracks(not empty) into a file.
4. How to restore the file into partition.
I am regeresoly waiting for solution. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Loka
Why Windows is WAY better than Linux
T Bone, I think you are absolutely right. I'm not a Linux nitwit, but know my way around. However, the open source community that keeps Linux going, also scare the professionals away with buggy, homemade and eventually OS-crippling software. Many large business orientated users (like me) turn away from Linux because it is flooded with bad software.
Linux? Great for the small businesses (cheap!) and home users that like a challenge.
Not for me.
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I'm not sure this discussion is worth the time spend - Linux is better because the people make it better
I'm not sure if wide mouth users should be argued with - a person who can't make the least effort for his own benefit as a human is not worth helping (only slows the process of evolution).
There are two type of persons in life - the once who build and the once who use. Users always find something to complain about and don't lift a finger to help.Builders on the other hand got used to ignoring them ;). So for all the users out there : "Wake Up!". The true is that if you are a user windows is the easy way out (for now).But for the people who build their age there is only one true OS - Open Source.
Don't know how much time it will take but a moment will come when everyone will turn to linux for a solution and this discussions are useless because the users always turn to the better products, products that are produced by builders - and no meter how much Microsoft claims to be the builder the original products did came from open source.
Linux Always Better thn Windows
when doors are open,why use windows....???????????
Mr.Windows ... u cant stand along wid linux..........
Frozen Bubble 2. End of
Frozen Bubble 2.
End of argument.
Why Windows *AND* Linux suck so much
Because both don't care for innovation.
And because *both* use end-users as beta testers.
And because *both* use a monolithic kernel design.
Conclusion:
EVERY OS SUCKS.
If you can live with Office, use Windows or Mac.
If you need to implement something, use something as open as Linux, BSD, ...
I may even tend to claim that Linux sucks more than Windows: because Linux has a data corruption bug. Linus Torvalds claims that it is negligible. But every time I check the checksums of my backups, one single file always fails although it has not been changed. Running the checksum solely on that file gives the correct result. Running the checksum over the whole backup set gives the wrong result for that single file (out of approx. 600.000 files).
So: Linux sucks.
Linux does not much innovate. Most of it is a reproduction of something else.
OpenOffice comes from Sun. Firefox comes from Netscape. KDE's success is based largely on Qt.
You see what I mean?
kwrite cannot handle code-folding and syntax highlightning together.
korganizer is rock-unstable.
firefox is rock-unstable.
Xen is rock-unstable and my error reports get ignored in the kernel mailing list -- just because the developers don't want to admit that they did not care for a division by zero case.
Hmmm... let me think... what else is there?
Why does no X11 screensaver warn me about open consoles?
Why does kmail always ask for a GPG password when I haven't set one?
Why does kmail show 2013 new mails inside the tray when most of it are unimportant mails from mailing lists? Why can't I just tell it: only count messages directly aimed at me or coming from addresses contained in my address book?
Xine has a/v sync problems. In 1.1.6 they are partially solved.
Why can't xine currently use the ffmpeg libs inside kaffeine for DVB-s playback?
Why is there no disk *write* scheduler? And why are there so many debates about CPU schedulers, although I have never experienced any problems with them? Disk I/O is MUCH more limited. But I guess write schedulers are too complex and it would require too much innovation for the Linux community to achieve that goal.
Why is there no autonomous, redundant online disk backup system yet? One that consists of independent nodes constantly controlling each other and doing some sort of fencing? Long-term data archival could be done in an automatic fashion, but there is no open-source solution to it yet (although it would be not too hard to implement).
Linux has no reasonable QA. Linux has no reasonable hardware certification. Linux has no frontier website telling users what hardware to buy (which could mean pressure on vendors -- rather the community complains about lack of vendor support -- what a dumb behaviour).
I could go on and on and on and on and on and on...
Yeah, yeah, bla bla
Yeah, yeah, bla bla bla...
Before flaming Linux, are you sure that the problem is not in the user space application (your backup application)? Make it sure and prove it before flaming the Linux kernel!!!
If possible use the kernel bugzilla (http://bugzilla.kernel.org) rather than sending directly to the kernel mailing list. The developer are busy people!
Also, Linux is a kernel of an OS so, it has nothing to do with user space application like OpenOffice, FireFox, KDE, etc. Do you think Microsoft made all of their own software???
Xine, you got problem with that? Well, why use your PC to watch movie? Playing DVD movie can be simply done by standalone DVD player (or if you prefer the portable one). Thats the problem with peoples attitude today. All want their PC can do anything, but they don't help the application development itself, just complaint if something goes wrong.
If I think that I will have not enough time for helping some applications development, and I found a bug, I will just post it in the bugzilla. You know what, the development are done by volunteers, you can't force them to do what you want. If I don't get answer after sending to mailing list, then it is fine with me. This does not mean that the developers don't care about your problem, they may just don't know what to do with the bug, or too busy or maybe your report is confusing. So better try to post again in the appropriate bugzilla.
If you said all OS sucks, the write your own OS!!!!!!!
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PS:
I wonder why this useless thread about Linux flames is still here, has it really produce any useful result in improving Linux (or Windows)???
Also about another stupid thread about windows folder creation surprise. Threads like them should be removed, IMO.
Moot argument
I've never had a problem, I've run Gentoo for years now...Ubuntu is, however, really nice.
Linux itself is just a kernel. The kernel is rock solid, optimized and most importantly, _OPEN FOR SCRUTINIZATION_
The software installation issue, well writen package managers generally resolve, and it's easy as heck, even if you don't know anything about "Linux", but you are familiar with PC usage in general. The make system is also fairly standardized, and most sources use it.
Hardware compatibility is generally listed on the packaging. Generally, manufacturers that have their own Linux drivers write on the packaging, Linux kernel xxx" If not, you can always check several sources before going out and buying new hardware. There are lots of devices under windows that no longer work in XP or Vista, like lots of Twain based scanners and Cameras. You can't fault Linux for it's hardware compatibility.
There are lots of Office software packages for linux....gnome-office, openoffice, koffice, staroffice, koffice...
There's tons of cd burning programs as well...and video players....and pretty much every standard application you can ever think of.
I do like several windows programs, like utorrent, but that runs flawlessly under wine. UT2004 has a linux port...doom 3...C&C3 works under wine, same with World of Warcraft. I don't game that much, I game more on consoles, and guess what, some consoles actually use Linux and open source sdks at their core.
You can't really say XXXX is better than XXXX. It depends on what level you compare it on. Do windows games typically work better in windows than linux? Yes. Complain to software developers if you don't like that, or help the wine project. General productivity? Office...multimedia....web browsing...any OS can do all that.
I run Linux for all the neat things it offers. There's a handfull of filesystems, each performing and behaving differently. There's lots of cool stuff like built in virtualization interfaces, and hardware drivers that are always getting improved and performing better amd better because they're open source. If something doesn't work, say a game in Wine, I'll try to fix wine and submit a patch. It's great to have _total_ control of what you run on your PC. There's _amazing_ open source software, like OpenSSH, TightVNC, Eclipse SDK, Java, GCC, Pidgin, mplayer, libavcodec(which is actually the most popular video decoder in windows)...
There's nothing thats stopping proprietary software from being run on Linux as well. I _BUY_ software for Linux all the time, and even buy windows software to run under wine.
By this point in time, Ubuntu, Windows, OSX...to any typical PC user, the OS is transparent and taken for granted once set up. The only problem is that most stuff you can go out and buy in stores is designed for Windows only. Fault the developers of the hardware and software, not Linux. The same applies for OSX, OSX does not "suck" because developers don't always code for it. We have all these open APIs...OpenAL...OpenGL...WxWindows/Mono...Java...libwine...we are going to reach a point where applications in essence will become OS independant, as it will be painless to port, and no developer will want to shut out any customers like they do now.
windows work?
windows work. indeed linux too. but ask yourselves why windows seems so easy and why linux seems not (and indeed this is not all true). there are not techinical points behind, but only economics, marketing strength, and other such thing. we can discuss which is better for this or that. but important things are kept hidden.
we must remember that worlds do not change because masses have the power to change it. it changes when knowledged people, knights in some way, fight for both ideological and practical problems and try to teach the masses some kind of different true.
if it would not be so, today we still would live around a castle, protected by a king, paying silently our taxes and being happy both to be not free but secure enough...
linux ven though could be not the better solution, is the kind of revolution knowledged people are waiting for and will fight for. masses will follow in the future.
about me, i just could not live in the computer world simply using windows, it does not fit me at all.
Help
I like sabayon very much, but when i've tryed to install it to old machine p4-2ghz 768mb ide pioneer dvr109 fx5200
i've been found error
kernel panic - not syncing:attempted to kill init!
in the forum i found same error without reply
only suggestions to enter something in command mode,but nobody says that it could be halt,no operational...
I've try everything remove from motherboard,update bios,change configuration in bios,nothing help!
Wiki suggest to rewrite the core,but it's horrible,unknown amount of time,besides i dont know for sure what was that?,may be i'm lazy...
Vista work fine,Xp too,of course i hate such OS,for example they totally halt,when you change your hardware or just millions bugs with plug and pray system can't correctly load devices,i'd rather called it GAMESTATION for only one purpose grab money from gamers for new software and hardware...
But please,don't forget that with microsoft dead,all software companies will halt too,so it's unwise to attack it
If anyone knows what exactly happaned with Sabayon(SabayonLinux-x86-3.3.iso),please reply...
Sorry for my English,it's not my motherlanguage
how to learn how to use linux fast
well if anybody that has linux doesnt need to be a proffessional or go to linux school or read tons of books to use linux.you need to play around and mess with it a little to find out what the object of linux is.costumizing it is a big part of it.it looks pretty cheap when you install linux because you can't depend on the creators to design it for you.you have to design it yourself.because if you dont like one thing or the way it looks you can change that tiny little problem without changing the whole appearence unlike windows.and yeah when i first installed linux i barley knew how to use it.you just have to keep working with it and youll learn a lot by simply messing around with it.you wont mess up the whole system so dont be afraid.Thank you
Justin.L.Busto
Customizing
Exactly what do you mean by customizing -- changing the intro music? The Wallpaper? the icons? the screensaver? The programs that you choose to use? And how much time, research, and maneuvering does it take to do that stuff? And how much of it depends on having a broadband connection to make it even possible?
Linux people keep talking about the possibility of customizing the desktop and apps, but prettiness is really all they mention.
If that is what customizing is, it is just hype, even if you can do it.
More importantly, can customizing in fact make lives easier, especially since lots of that kind of customizing can be done in Windows without much effort, and with no internet connection?
I have yet to see anybody give a concrete example of something that a home or business user can do by himself at his desk for himself for, and especially not one on a computer with no fast hookup, that could actually improve your output. Here's an example: as you word process, your word processor translates the text to Greek and Lithuanian simultaneously. Now that would be a customization!
But that is not what really exists, either in fact or even in wild-eyed forum discussions by Linux lovers. In fact, I have yet to see good customizing ideas from Linux people that help productivity, much less see it described, much less in action.
For me, customizing, if it can be done at all, can't be about the trivialities of making something prettier or having a different photo in a particular window, but actually getting a job done better or quicker.
I'm no programmer, but I tried pretty hard myself to do some customizing -- and I found you can't do it unless you are a programmer yourself.
KDE is terrible, frustrating, disorganized software. It is just a mess. Konquerer stinks. Its frames are all wrong, the names of the tabs are all wrong, the size of the tab icons are all wrong, the icons are all wrong, it fails to highlight the directory revealed in the right panel, you can't do anything to clarify the system folders so people know not to enter, you can't file your documents at the top of a directory tree, such as in the root directory, and, worst of all, you can't train it to open a particular pane into "details mode" as you can with Windows. The Kynaptic program doesn't even tell you what it does, letting a user think he can install any program with it when all it really is a package manager.
Can the KDE environment really be customized and enhanced by home users to meet the terms of simple logic? Apparantly not. Can you tinker with the functionality of other programs? No, not unless you are a programmer. For most of us, Linux software is just as closed as Windows' software is (and mostly second rate to boot).
If all that customizing really offers me is the chance to use a different scrensaver, it's pretty lame. Even if it offers a totally different desktop environment, that is unhelpful, because, for whatever other criticisms one may have about Windows, the desktop environment is terrific, unsurpassed, and allowing a change unnecessary. But a Windows clone environment is not offered in Linux unless you are a programmer.
And when you add the little consequence of customizing to the burden of having to be well versed in commands even to do the routine things that Windows users take for granted by doing them in a click or two, you can easily see why Linux pulls under 1% of the market.
Linux sux!
It's been 10 years since people predicted linux would surpass Windows. What happened? Windows is better than linux primarily because it works. Some say you can theoretically do everything that you can do in windows under linux. On the other hand theoretically you can also do everything with a box of crayons and a huge stack of paper. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Linux is free, but there is a hidden opportunity cost. Those individuals whos time is cheap, (unemployed or low wages) benefit from linux. Those who can say time = money don't have the patience to hack linux all day just to get the most basic software up and running.
P.S.
Most people aren't skilled enough to read source code anyway, they just enjoy open source to apply leverage on the developer or to snoop around for a few exploits.
Why I like windows, Why it sucks, and why itll never change
1) I can install and configure within 10 minutes and get the most secure windows possible
2) I can use all of my perph hardware without bashing around with linux drivers. (Yes i know they come with them, but have u tried using an HP PSC in Linux and getting it to scan? ...Try that then reply)
3) When upgrading i dont want to do a kernel upgrade
4) I dont want source files, hell as a dev i dont want ID10Ts having the source. A person is smart, People are stupid.
5) If your a smart windows'er you dont need anti-virus and thus u dont need linux (yes laugh at me. do it. Ive been running XP since it came out and wait wait wait 0 VIRUSES!! :D)
Why windows Sucks:
1) Unpatched XP System is only useful for 1 thing. Connecting it to the net and watching all those nasty viruses rampaging the computer.
2) XP Pro and lost admin password = Format
3) General Populus has no idea what their doing.
4) BSoD...(Btw these are always caused by HW errors, or or OS is screwed. Stop calling Tech support when you See: STOP 0xXXXXXXXX KERNEL_NOT_PAGED...seriously suck it up and format)
5) 20 Critical System tasks?
6) Avg PC runs 40 tasks...spywar'd machine runs 60...
7) INTERNET EXPLORER
Never Change?
1) People are dumb, therefore they need something to be dumb with them.
2) People Like error messages, IE BSoD.
3) People dont like to customize, they dont have the time man.
4) Freecell pwns all
5) PEBCAK - if you dont know what that means you are one.
> tried using an HP PSC in
> tried using an HP PSC in Linux and getting it to scan? .
Yes. Easy. Had to scan some photos. The win machine at hand had only 512MB of RAM, so I used my linux laptop (2GB).
Time-to-first-scan: 2 minutes. (I am on a slow DSL connection....)
I have to say I've spent far
I have to say I've spent far more of my life debunking FUD from wankers like you than I have 'hacking' GNU+Linux to 'get the most basic software up and running.' I'm a n00b, and as such I just stick the Ubuntu CD in and press 'Install'. Occassionally this box appears saying that I can upgrade to something with a funkier name, so I click the 'Hell yeah!' button and it works.
I've got access to all this friggin great software too, for free. Great tools for Web and print design, like Inkscape and Scribus and the file manager thingy lets me connect to servers over SSH. Windows will never support that, as it's not a Microsoft proprietary protocol.
Ubuntu works perfectly on my laptop and desktop machines. When we got a laptop for the wife, it was a 10 minute check to ensure it would work with Linux, and we were sorted: it just worked.
No hidden opportunity cost here, just great Free software.
Typical
Your reasons for Windows being better than Linux are typical of someone who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about! Furthermore, it is clear you have little experience of either Operating System for things other than gaming and IM.
I will reiterate: you have no idea what you're talking about.
One man's meat, another man's poison.
Is there a need to argue here? My OS is better your OS that kinda thing? It's always one man's meat, another man's poison. Use whatever benefits/suits you the most.
Why Windows is better than Linux
Actually, as in this case, the real issue is Why Windows is Easier than Linux.
Truth be told, it's not, unless you grew up with Windows.
Some folk do not wish to put forth the little bit of effort to learn a new (YES, NEW) OS. After stumbling about for a few hours, they get impatient, and conclude that Linux sucks.
Do some heavy-duty programming on Windows. make some stupid mistakes, and see how fast the system crashes. Do the same with Linux. No system crash? (user-space crashes don't count! If you can restart your user environment without a reboot, you are ahead of the game.)
As far as passwords, that is a good system protecting you from yourself. Most normal tasks on a computer do not require you to be an administrator (or root). We just set ourselves up as admins on Windoze out of laziness. On my Linux boxes, I set my user up with the permissions he needs to get things done, and that's that! No need to constantly be logged on as root (or admin). I can let the system protect me from any bonehead mistakes I make while developing as a user.
Windows "better?" Linux "better"? If you do not choose your words well, you end up being a FUD puppet for Microsoft. If Linux didn't scare uncle Bill, his lackeys wouldn't be telling all the lies they are telling about it!
Please don't try to use your brain
(1) Installing programs is easy with windows because there is a standard.
Actually each installation program is different and keeps informations on what is installed in its own place, be it files anywhere or the registry. Please don't think about RPM, it would hurt you.
(2) Anytime you try to install or change something on your own computer you have to type a password.
You are wrong and you just can't imagine a solution
(3) Installing anything good in Linux requires an entire weekend ending up in learning how to reinvent the wheel.
Too wide assertion to be contradicted... I completely agree with you except when it's easy :)
(4) To truly use any Linux distribution your going to have to either take classes in how Linux works or spend time reading a lot of books and forums.
Please don't try to use your brain
Re: FUD
(1) - Let's start with the easy one. BS. Windows programs did not have a standard way of installing them until Vista came around. XP only had recommendations and Vista has requirements to where stuff goes. Many programs still do not follow this so not Vista ready. Debian, on the other hand, (or Ubuntu) has packages that always follow nice rules.
(2) - So does a Mac. So does Vista. Well, Vista has much more annoying stuff like Are you sure you like windows better? Click Accept or Disagree? Root is not for running administrative tools and administrating your computer. Not running a web browser. And you can install your own programs in your home directory. So no passwords required.
(3) - No. I have no idea what you are even talking about.
(4) - Bingo! Guess what? So does Windows! So does a Mac! You want to use something, you have to learn how to operate it. Just because you know how to use Windows to some very limited range does not mean you can just sit down and auto-magically use another OS to its full potential. After all, you don't even know the difference between user privilege levels (see your #2)
If you reached a point in your life where you can't learn new stuff, stick with the old and don't try to rehash the same useless "I know what is wrong with Linux!" for a thousandth time like other noobs without even knowing what Linux is or how to use it.
Trolled
Haha, you dumbasses got trolled good!
Windows is not better
(1) Installing programs is easy with windows because there is a standard.
Installing programs in linux is easy also but that is because i know what to do. In my opinion most programs are much simplier to install on linux then windows.
Linux:
./configure
make
make install
Windows:
Next
Next
Yes
Next
Next
Yes
Next
Finish
(2) Anytime you try to install or change something on your own computer you have to type a password.
What is wrong with this? This is the exact same thing as windows. remove yourself from the administrators group on your windows box and try to install something. It will not work. The difference is that you are already an admin on that machine so it is the same thing as installing something on linux as root.
(3) Installing anything good in Linux requires an entire weekend ending up in learning how to reinvent the wheel.
Sometimes that may be the case but that is because no 2 distros are the same but you only have 1 version of windows xp or windows 2000 so you know for sure which dependices are installed already...Not true with linux.
(4) To truly use any Linux distribution your going to have to either take classes in how Linux works or spend time reading a lot of books and forums.
You should have to learn linux to use it. Is this not true with anything in life??? did you just "KNOW" how to ride a bike when you first got one? i doubt it.
The reason that most users say windows is _better_ is because of a few things.
1. They have been using windows for a long time so they know how to use windows. Use linux for 3-4 years then see if linux is hard to use.
2. If a _windows_ user tries to do something on linux but they can't they automatically say that windows is better.
3. There is no such thing as a windows power user. last time i checked being able to point and click never classified someone as a power user.
Windows administrators are a little different because they would have to do some command line stuff. i.e. ldap queries, scripts, etc.
Do i really need to continue??
Real men (and women) use Linux and don't whine about it
Installing programs easy on Linux cause all you have to do is type something like "apt-get install vlc". If it's any harder than that, you need a new distro. May i suggest Debian?
(1) Installing with apt is
(1) Installing with apt is really easy. I think Linux is better in this regard.
(2) Ubuntu fixed typing the password quite nicely by using sudo for administrative type tasks (and remembering the password for some time)
(3) I agree that open-source (not necessarily Linux) applications can be a bitch to configure. It seems every program has its own way of configuring, for example sendmail requires knowledge of the macro language m4, WTF?
(4) I also agree on the general complexity of unix applications. Just take a look at tar for example, it has a gazillion options that you have to plough through, while in most cases you only need options -czvf and -xzvf. I find this extremely intimidating for a new user (and this is just one simple application).
I think I actually spent more time configuring/updating/fixing Linux applications than using them. Blue screens are extremely rare now with a properly up-to-date Windows XP machine and I've seen way more kernel oopses (or whatever) on Linux than blue screens on windows. Windows XP has never ever refused to start, while X starting problems are relatively common with Linux (good thing I know how to fix them with Linux, no idea how I would tackle it with windows - it just works).
I think the Windows GUI is better too (I use the windows classic UI). It's just not as clunky as the gnome or KDE UI's and more ergonomic too: for example closing an application under Windows is as easy as slamming the mouse pointer in the right-hand corner and clicking, while under Linux I have to position the pointer exactly over the X symbol to close an application.
Linux drivers are a joke too: a lot of hardware just doesn't work with Linux and the developers try to blame anyone else but themselves (and that's just lame). With windows xp, I can simply use older drivers designed for windows 2000 in many cases; Linux developers have this unrealistic idea that *everything* should be open sourced. The end result is that hardware doesn't work properly with Linux while it does with Windows.
i've installed vlc a thousend times
It's not witchcraft to install vlc!
I open the package manager and install it. (debian, ubuntu)
What's the point?
I've installed ubuntu on desktop PC's and etch on dell powerdege servers.
All runs very very smooth.
Configuring extraordinary stuff on windows is a pain in the ass.
Specially when you do expert stuff on Windows it seems like you have to be a MSDN certified engineer to do stuff.
I develop on windows, and I see no advantage there.
I miss the freedom you want to have when you are an expert.
And as a normal user, it's just as easy.
What you say is pure bullshit at best, sorry.
Those days are over, face it. I guess you have misconceptions going on there.
Those days are over, face
Those days are over, face it.
Jesus Christ, of course they are. You guys keep responding to a thread that's almost two years old! In Linux, two years is a really long time. Just leave it at that.
Why Windoze is better than Linux
(3) Installing anything good in Linux requires an entire weekend ending up in learning how to reinvent the wheel. (4) To truly use any Linux distribution your going to have to either take classes in how Linux works or spend time reading a lot of books and forums.
Running Linux requires intelligence. We've never claimed to be the easy OS.
That's not true. Ubuntu is
That's not true. Ubuntu is an easy OS
Fail.
You claim that Windows has a superior distribution model for third party software.
This is a faulty claim, on several levels:
apt-get install vlcEasy!
I suspect that the issues had with GNU/Linux probably arose from you attempting to use stuff that simply wasn't ready yet at the time. If you elect to live on the bleeding edge, expect a bit of pain.
Windows sucks Solaris
Windows sucks
Solaris sucks
Linux sucks
DOS sucks
CP/M sucks
UNIX sucks
Multics sucks
BeOS sucks
Amiga sucks
IRIX sucks
FreeBSD sucks
NetBSD sucks
OpenBSD sucks (his maintainer even more)
Minix sucks
Plan 9 sucks
My mother sucks
I suck big time
My whole family sucks
All people in this world suck
Earth, the planets, hell the whole galaxy and universe suck
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windows / linux
Windows is great.
Linux is great.
They're just different flavors for a piece of software that helps the user do stuff with is/her PC.
Windows:
Easy for everyone, you don't need to have a degree in CS to work with it. Remember the first versions of windows?
Microsoft's biggest crap is the fact that they EXTORT money from everyone by releasing every now and then a new OS with a nicer looks than the previous version. The problem is, it doesn't get any better... the insides are still crap!
Linux:
Oh God! I think the first time I tried to install linux on my old 486, I gave up after trying for several hours to get more than 640x480 at 60Hz from my old SiS graphics card. I like the new Ubuntu stuff and pretty much all the latest releases work without much hassle. In that sense Linux has accelerated a lot lately.
My Point of view is that neither is perfect, and the common user will have the same difficulties with one or the other. Maybe the driver issue would tilt the scale for XP but with Vista....
I think that Linux is definitely going to win the race. Why....mostly because it's FREE! But also because it's getting easier to work with each year.
Windows Sucks!
Windows Sucks!
Windows is for LAZY people
I think windows is useful for LAZY persons ...
They dont want to try anythings , they just want there job done ...
they dont want to deal with word 'HOW '.
The question "How it is done ...","How it can be done in better way ..." never come in their mind.
They dont want to face CHALLNGES in their life .....
Tell me What is life without challeges ...
Linux teaches you everthing ...
Its a mystrey .... I Love Linux ...
Let the lazy persons to stick with their WINDOWS we are having our own HOMEs builded with LINUX ....
as much as i hate...
...to admit it, windows (XP) is better then the linux distor's i've used; ubuntu fiesty and fedora 7. these disto's are great, especially with Beryl, but the overall feeling is that it was not made 100% by professionals and has a luck of device compatibility. for example, i use a laptop and when i tried to connect my 27` LCD monitor, little i knew that it will take almost a WEEK to make it recognizable at the right resolution and that is after reading almost every guide and forum on the net and constantly editing files (damm that xorg.conf!) i finally managed to make it work. but when i disconnected the monitor (after all, it is a laptop...) the display would show nothing and kept flickering. even replacing with backup files didn't help! it is a nightmare!
in windows however, just right-clicking and selecting what type of configuration (dual display, extended desktop...) did the job perfectly with the right resolution and everything! if you want to change something (color depth and resolution) you can do it with windows built in display properties and no extra software - that's what i call out-of-the-box support.
linux also has a weird file-system with directories named "etc", "lib", "mnt"... WTF?! not to mention the password verification almost every time you want to change or do something beyond surfing the net or watching movies.
windows is by far a more mature and user friendly OS then linux. maybe in a year or two linux will be good enough for installing and working with. i love my windows XP. it is easy to use and compatible with every equipment. for me - linux is not yet ready.
see you in a year, Linux.
Linux, Windows, Mac
I´m not sure if some of these things have been mentioned but here´s my 2c.
I use all three OS´s and each has it´s purpose.
I have used windows the longest and I don´t really have stability issues with it. But I´m very paranoid about privacy issues so I rarely use it... mostly for gaming.
I do hate windows and avoid it as much as possible.
Linux I´ve been using for about a year now as my web browsing and that sort of things, but I´ve been unable to actually do anything creative with it. Since I work in photography and video editing there are very few options and professional features in the linux world... and most of my hardware is not supported. And yes I know there are softwares such as Cinelerra, Blender etc... those are not enough.
Mac is for work and I must say it covers all my needs except browsing the web since it´s not connected to the internet. But as soon as I buy my second one I´ll get rid of linux and windows. It´s a pitty macs do cost more but It´s very well worth the price. If I would have to point out some bad things about Macs is hardware support isn´t the best but then again I always make sure the hardware I buy is Mac compatible.
For the last few month I´ve been using BSD instead of linux and for basic desktop use I prefer linux since I´m use to it and it´s more updated.
But if you´re not doing anything special with your PC I don´t see any reason not to use linux... I have very special hardware and I need certain softwares that just can´t be replaced by anything available on linux.
PS... why is color profiling so goddamn dificult in linux?
Re: Why Windows is better than Linux
<< (1) Installing programs is easy with windows because there is a standard. Try installing VLC and you'll see what I mean.
Use yum if you can't install a package by reading the simple installation instructions.
<< (2) Anytime you try to install or change something on your own computer you have to type a password. And god forbid you run the program in root, then you get every warning that exists.
This is for your own good. It not only improves security it also forbids you from making silly mistakes and rendering the system useless.
<< (3) Installing anything good in Linux requires an entire weekend ending up in learning how to reinvent the wheel.
That is simply Not True. You can install any Linux package just by following the instruction even if you have no prior knowledge about Linux.
<< (4) To truly use any Linux distribution your going to have to either take classes in how Linux works or spend time reading a lot of books and forums.
No. I learned using and managing Linux system and I really enjoy working on Linux.
That is why I love Linux. :)
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Why Windows is better than Linux
im a long term windows user since win 3.1 and like me there are most likely
millions of others. most of us long term users may have forgotten when we all
had difficulties in learning windows then learning windows NT. and off course, the
other windows systems that followed have not change much.
so in my opinion the question is not Why Windows is better than Linux but
What are Windows good points.
i have moved other to linux (2 month old) my reasons are vista's worth is less
than the disk its printed on.
here are my points on "What are Windows good points."
Q, if linux is so great why does millions of people still use windows ?
A, when i saw windows 3.1 i think, on 7 grayish floppy disks and after installing i was blown
away because before then i was a strict DOS user but after seeing the windows GUI i thought
this was the best thing since "The Ark" i followed it on and off through to windows 98 and when
server NT and 2000 arrived i really thought like many others that nothing could beat windows.
its nice, its easy and gets the job done.
the fact that it has been around for a long time with little incremental changes on the user's
interface and how it reacts with the user is the key to windows popularity today and thats it.
users use windows because users have become comfortable with it.
however the model on what windows is based on has been showing cracks since windows server 2000 and already starting to breakdown been that it wants to be the OS to all man woman and child. it is clear that history has shown that such models are doomed to fail once consumers needs and requirements
sharply rise. microsoft answer to dooms day is windows "vista" however ill leave that story for
another day.
Q, linux is an open system but will hundreds of linux distribution be its downfall ?
A, windows is a closed standard in which everyone is forced to use and see the same functions. it is
a good idea but OS users are varied and want to use an OS for more than just emails and surfing.
hence why linux sits on most servers. users ideology about OS must be freed from the microsft conditioning in order to see the qaulities in another OS. linux has been slowly gaining speed
on the desktop user sector and in recent years nd the growth of speed is faster climbing and with
hundreds of linux distributions for a varied crowd. a downfall is way off by a long shot.
Q, why on earth is installing a software in linux such a pain. windows is much better,
you "click and go"
A, true windows does most of the tasks without much pain. users who complain about linux installing
methods are usually "new bees" to linux like myself. installing can be frustrating to both read and do. however like with any new challenge that must be overcome then one has to face the challenge with an open mind and be prepared to learn. installing software is quite easy once you get to know how to get
it done.
the question is how much time are you willing to give in order learn how to install a few linux packages. it took me a day (and i am a slow learner). should linux install methods be standard,
maybe one day it will be standard but currently installing any software is quite easy has as
it is and with the added safety that once a package is installed there are no spyware,
worms, or viruses unlike windows.
everything else about linux outshine windows and if you don't believe me try linux for yourself. :)
be prepared to learn the functions you want to do and use linux with an open mind.
krugs
interface
windows' user interface is awful, it has no logic and couldn't even try to be multitasking, with linux you get virtual windows which gives you extra funtionaltiy without many windows cascading over each other, which looks awful, with linux you can sort then, with mac infact you don't even need to everything fits neetly on one window, and baring in mind they are some of the first users of GUI they would know the most of it anyway
windows has copied stuff and always will copy stuff, in fact its effects are so similar to other operating systems that they should be sued for it
windows is only popular because it pushed its way into the market first!
ohhh my fuckin head im so stupid
u know i must be one of those shitty lazy windows fuckers , i like to download some shit games software or whatever with some extra virus,
i’ve got 7 spywares and norton XD and 50 viruses in month and im fuckin tired of windows i dont care how linux is dificult i just fuckin hate windows " real virus "
sory bout my spanienglish
"And god forbid you run the
"And god forbid you run the program in root, then you get every warning that exists."
Ignore anyone who tells you to not run as root.
Laugh into their face.
And run as root.
If they say you will screw your machine up, laugh into their face.
Laugh until they stop telling YOU how to use YOUR computer.
And then, for the gigs of it, laugh once more, so you can continue
to run YOUR computer anyway YOU see fit.
Feed the troll
Not bad.... a troll posts and two years later people are still participating.
I'll be back in 5 years when Microsoft Linux rolls off the line.
This is the answer
Why Linux is better than Windows? What are we speaking about? OS? It's simple! Linux is an OS, Windows is not an OS. So, Linux is better than Windows, because Linux is what I need, Windows is something else ... :-)
The best feature of windows
The best feature of windows I love is driver compatibility across different windows versions. Because of linux drivers being kernel code, the drivers have to be compiled with very same kernel source or even with same compiler and same compiler version. This really sucks. In windows platforms, a device driver for windows 98 is compatible with windows xp generally (and when this driver was developed, there was not a windows called windows xp). Even that both windows versions are very different because of the nt kernel thing.
More than 2 years after this
More than 2 years after this thread was started, let's sum up where we are. Windows has released Vista... a rather attractive piece of work. Unfortunately, good looks came with a price - my Dual Core system with 1 GB of RAM can hardly run it. Ubuntu has just released Gutsy... a highly customizable OS that seems stable. Installing programs is as easy as ADD/REMOVE > CHECK WHAT YOU WANT > DONE.
After weighing the two... give me Linux, any day. I can actually get things done without killing my computer or dragging it to the point of having to hard-powerdown every 5 seconds.
Oh... and I didn't have to pay a hundred-and-a-half for the OS. Beauty!
No matter what you say
No matter what you say people have their own opinions on things, and generally will stand by it no matter what you say.
But from experience i have found both benefits in both types of OS's.
Gaming is generally easier to set up and run in Windows, mainly because the major companies dont bother with creating linux versions. Obviously because they wouldnt want the source widely available.
Drivers can become an issue on Linux, generally for the same reason. But i have only approx 1 in 20 occasions come across that issue.
Software is in my opinion MUCH easier to set up and configure in Linux than in Windows.
Why?
Because in a terminal in windows i can just "apt-get install "
Most of what i have needed has been listed under it. And after that all you have to type is "y" which is when it asks if you want to save to disk..
Where as with windows you have many many different steps which require you to click this and that, this and that. Which you very rarely actually read and take note of. People just see a button and click.
Once the software is installed it is again generally easier to configure on linux, because all the required config info are held in one file.
Where as software installed on windows, you have to open the application, click all through the menus just to find the section you want.
Again. the next point has been brought up but i'll repeat it.. With software on windows ie. xp or vista, it hogs processes and ram. that same application but on linux requires ALOT less process and ram useage.
I use Windows Vista, just for gaming.
But i use Kubuntu on my laptop and Slackware on my Desktop
More
A couple other points i forgot to include were that.
Kubuntu took ALOT less time setting up and configuring than it took for me to install Microsoft Vista.
I have also found that the Kubuntu has barely reduced in running time than Vista has with Vista being there installed in Less time. And me using Kubuntu more than Vista