Lombard, Seattleage

Submitted by catfeeder
on August 8, 2005 - 8:04pm

FYI: For my friends still in the Pacific Northwest, I'm headed up there...for two weeks starting labor day weekend. I'm really looking forward to it.

I've been making some changes in the computer stable. I switched out my prized Voodoo 5 card in my Duron box for a passively cooled Voodoo 3. It's not like I do a ton of 3D gaming, and the fans on the Voodoo 5 were starting to go. It did give me three years of good service, and that was a hand-me-down from Nate Bollig of my Navy days. I got rid of another machine as well; the second of the two rack mount boxes Mark gave me is gone. I gave it to my co-admin, who didn't have a dedicated Linux box at home and could use the box to learn.

In spite of that, on Friday something just drew me in to ASU surplus on the way to work from the datacenter. I didn't see anything and then a sweet Lombard G3 PowerBook caught my eye. The iBook is getting a little beat down, and the 800x600 screen was starting to grate on me, so I decided to take a look at the Lombard. Apart from a thrashed battery, it was fine, if a little dirty. I got it for $150 (down from $195), which turned out to be pretty decent. They're still selling for $400 in places. I cleaned it up and set about finding it a suitable OS for my next road warrior box.

I've officially decided that Yellowdog Linux 4 sucks. It's *really* bad, which is surprising, since YDL 3, which I have on my iBook, is great. But practically everything has regressed. Hardware detection is god awful; it couldn't create a working X on the Lombard, so I had to h4x0r it. It also screwed up the module alias for the ethernet device. As long as I've used PCI ethernet cards, I've never seen this happen, short of unsupported hardware.

The other thing about it is bloat. This is becoming a *big* problem for Fedora based distros, and YDL 4 is no exception. In spite of me de-checking a ton of stuff, it installed over 2 gig worth of crap. I don't get it. There has got to be a better way. Fedora is turning an OS I love into crap. It's getting buggy too. So now I'm considering Gentoo, but I may take the plunge and kick my own ass with some OpenBSD. At least the hard disk footprint will be smaller. The Lombard only has a 4 gig disk, and I don't feel like taking it or the iBook apart to switch drives. I had to replace the iBook drive last year with a new one. I picked up a nice 30 gig drive, which I could dig out of the iBook and swap, but the install process on the clamshell iBooks is nothing short of pure torture. You take the entire thing apart, piece by piece. If I were going to do it again, I'd pick up a new CDROM mechanism for it.

I ordered a new battery for the Lombard today. I think it's going to become my new road warrior. I looked at rebuilding the existing battery; it uses standard 18650 size cylindrical Li-Ion cells, and you can get them online from some places. There are some write-ups from others who have rebuilt Li-Ion battery packs before and have been successful. In the end, though, I pussied out for a few reasons. First, Li-Ion cells aren't cheap; the cheapest ones I could find were $4.99 each, and since I'd need nine of them, I was halfway to a new pack right there. Who knows how old those cells were, and how chinsy the manufacturer was. The other thing is that I've tried rebuiilding a few packs before, with older PowerBooks, and I've never been that successful. Since I had no way to weld the connection to the battery like a factory pack, I either had to use solder tabbed cells and cut the tabs down so they wouldn't short and still route the wiring without using too much space, or try to solder directly to the cells. Neither option worked too well. Even when they worked, the re-worked packs were kind of mechanically sensitive as well. I think if I really sat down and did it well, I could build a good pack, but for whatever reason, laptop battery packs always seemed more challenging than radio or calculator packs.

Well I'm late for some much needed bicycling.

just say no

stephen
on
August 8, 2005 - 8:53pm

Please don't try to remove that hard drive. What a royal PITA that was. Better for everyone to sell me the iBook for enough to buy a new hard drive.

FWIW, I finally got the water cooling set-up working here at my place, and I do love the quiet. Applebee, my router, my Winblows machine, and my my hub are all now fan-free. Well, not quite, the refrigeration unit does have a fan, but it's spinning at half speed and very quiet. I'm well pleased with my handiwork and I'd recommend you give it a whirl.

perhaps we'll arrange a trade

catfeeder
on
August 9, 2005 - 1:27am

One slightly used iBook for a slightly ghetto water cooling setup?

Actually, you should check out Linux Journal's Ultimate Linux box for 2005. It also uses a water cooling setup....but no pump. It's strictly natural circulation. Very cool.

The PacNorthWest and PowerBook G3s

Flint
on
August 9, 2005 - 4:39am

You, me, and Ted4 need to hook up sometime while you're up here. I'm up for a trip down to PDX, but I don't know what your plans are.

A couple notes about your G3's HD:

1 - swapping the HD is cake. One plastic screw to release the keyboard, one tug on the HD's pull tab and out it pops. Then you just have to remove it from it's carriage.

2 - If you're buying a new one, any 2.5" ATA/5 (Ultra DMA 66) laptop HD will work. Most 20-30GB seem to be running around $100 up here at Fry's, so you can get a good chunk of space for a decent price. My personal recommendation is an IBM Travelstar - mine has been on the brink of death for almost 2 years now, loud read noise with stutters and everything. It simply will not die. I've been quite impressed.

~Flint

Oh yeah - what's up with this 'Register or login to post comments' nonsense?

thanks

catfeeder
on
August 9, 2005 - 1:13pm

Thanks for the recommendation. Last year, when I had to change the iBook's drive, I didn't have a whole lot of places to pick from, but Best Buy, of all places, had a 30G Seagate 5400RPM drive, so that's what I got. It's been a good one in the iBook.

As for the info on the hard drive...I know the Lombard and the Pizmo are pretty similar, save for firewire (which you have and I don't). I think your Pizmo needs faster RAM too. Are they mechanically similar though? Apple made four different series of G3, and one oddball.

-Sean

Lombard vs. Pismo

Flint (not verified)
on
August 9, 2005 - 2:10pm

There really aren't that many differences between the two machines. Like you said, the Firewire and the bus speed, as well as minimum OS req'ts and a few other minor details.

As far as the hardware, most of it is the same, including the HDs (I double-checked). Any ATA-5 drive should work.

I use this site for a lot of good info on Mac specs, especially since I'm looking at replacing a HD, resoldering the headphone jack (again), and possibly a processor upgrade:

http://www.lowendmac.com/pb2/lombard.shtml

Hope that clears thing up a bit.

~Flint

oh yeah

catfeeder
on
August 9, 2005 - 2:54pm

lowendmac rules! I found that back in my Performa 6115 days for upgrades. It's nice. Powerbook Medic or some similar site also has some great documents on how to take them all apart.

Northwest Trek

Bordone
on
August 10, 2005 - 6:53am

Sorry I haven't replied to your email.

You know we're down for a get together, we can cook/bbq for you and then we can watch bad movies or whatever else that you had in mind.

-Les

-Do you ever walk alone like a drifter in the dark?

cool.

catfeeder
on
August 10, 2005 - 9:40am

I was wondering if I was on the Bordone's most hated list there for a while....

Nah

Bordone
on
August 10, 2005 - 12:23pm

I don't have time to hate I just come home too tired to answer emails.

-Les

-Do you ever walk alone like a drifter in the dark?

get together

Christina (not verified)
on
August 10, 2005 - 9:02pm

we need to get together when you come up here. nathan and i both have labor day weekend off. if you want to come down here, great, if not, i've been looking for an excuse to go up to poulsbo and see our old haunts. i was thinking of doing it the weekend after my birthday, but labor day isn't too much later than that, so give us a call or drop us a line and we'll figure it out

how about both?

catfeeder
on
August 11, 2005 - 2:57am

I'll be driving up for labor day; I'd probably get to your house around Sunday evening. Then we could hit Poulsbo the following weekend?

ok!

christina (not verified)
on
August 11, 2005 - 5:10pm

sounds good as long as nathan's in town the next weekend. they've been making him travel a lot.

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