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Novell is Greedy for Money --- Worse than Microsoft !!!

March 22, 2008 - 12:24pm
Submitted by Anonymous on March 22, 2008 - 12:24pm.
Linux

After I purchased SLED 10 SP-1 for one month, Novell asked me to pay $800 for them to fix their bugs on my computer. SuSe is much worse and much greedy than Microsoft (MS) !!!

Here is the full story. I have been a MS user for a long time. One month ago, I decided to give Linux a try and to start with SuSe. Since I am a newbie, I decided to purchase a commercial package. When I called SuSe, the lady suggested me to buy SuSe Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED) instead of OpenSuSe. So, I purchased SLED 10 SP-1 with $58 including tax and shipping. When I received the package, I was surprised that I didn't get any manuals. During the installation, I made several phone calls. The support people are ok, although not absolutely friendly. With my purchase, I should get one-month phone support and one-year auto-update. I assume the one-year auto-update should be bug-free and stable, just like MS window. Only a few days after one month I purchased, I updated my OS by clicking the orange update button at the bottom of my screen. Initially the installation was smooth, but when the installation progressed to 42%, it was freezed without any progress for several hours. Finally, I had to stop it. After I stopped it, I restarted my computer. It was a disaster. The computer cannot boot! It said missing file. It doesn't even boot to safe mode. I called Novell. They told me since I passed one-month support period, I have to pay $800 for each phone call! They refused to answer any of my questions, unless I pay them.

Why should I pay them? I already paid the software that was mostly developed by volunteers in the Linux communities. I did nothing wrong in update. I actually did nothing, simply clicked the update button. The installation freezes my computer for several hours! What can I do when the computer freezes? I have used MS for more than 10 years, the auto-update in MS never crash my computer. I use SuSe for only one month, its auto-update crashed my computer badly, I cannot even reboot!

Even worse, I cannot reinstall SuSe with my original CDs. I don't know why. After I googling, I found other people have found similar problem, i.e. SuSe can only be installed on a fresh disk, if you install SuSe on the same disk for several times, the installation will fail. I have tried several times (about 8~10 times) to reinstall. I either got continuously reboots in cycles and never got me to a desktop or I was told “invalid partition” even though I used default partition. SuSe is so unstable with bugs, why should I pay them $800 per call? How many phone calls they need to fix their bugs? I have wasted a lot of time, computer freezes, crashes, reinstallations, searching web for solutions, and so on. Who is going to pay my time?

For end-users, Linux is nowhere near stable comparing with MS. I will either go back to Microsoft or try Ubuntu.

Linux can never beat MS if they don't put end users in mind

March 22, 2008 - 2:09pm
Anonymous (not verified)

So, $58 can only be used for one month! Novell is irresponsible for their product. If you are going to do busyness to make Linux commercial software, you should do a thorough test before release or update your software. You should not ask your customer to pay you big money and meanwhile to do the test for you.

Now people will gradually understand how much Microsoft has been done to make their product reliable and trouble-free for end users. All those bad experience with Linux will make end users really start to appreciate the good quality of MS window has been delivering to their customers over the pass 10 years.

You get one month of free support

March 29, 2008 - 7:08am
Anonymous (not verified)

You should NEVER forcibly interrupt updates on ANY OS

You get one month free support when you buy SLED (AFAIK you get this with OpenSuSE as well). I don't understand why you are comparing this with windows - where you get 0 free support?

I'm surprised you didn't get any manuals (you always get them with the boxed version of OpenSuSE), did you look on the CD/DVD?

Did you try to get help on forums or mailinglists?
Probably you've either fsckd up the boot loader or initrd - which you could fix by booting into rescue mode.

Never tried SLED - but I think it use the Novell Zen framework for updates (SuSE & Novell had just merged at that time) - OpenSuSE does not use this framework by default any more due to problems with Zen (they've worked quite a lot on this in the 10.x series).

I've never experienced problems with SuSe's update tools (!= Zen).

Someone here wrote that you can't reinstall SuSE without reformating/repartitioning - which is false. I'm writing this on a laptop which was installed with 10.0 upgraded with 10.1, 10.2 and 10.3.

Anyway, Linux distributions is like candy - some you like, some you don't - it all boils down to taste

Don't need support from MS

April 1, 2008 - 11:54pm
Anonymous (not verified)

I almost never have problem with MS, so I don't need to buy support from MS. Also if something bad happens with MS, reboot always works. Occassionally if my computer gets virus, MS always gives me free support for virus related issues. But Linux is different, without support or forum, I cannot keep going.

What should I do when computer freeze for several hours? Maybe OpenSuSe is better.

Linux doesn't care of "end

May 27, 2008 - 7:29pm
Anonymous (not verified)

Linux doesn't care of "end users" - haven't you read the GPL ???

money well spent

March 22, 2008 - 3:10pm
Anonymous (not verified)

now go troll elsewhere

Hmm ..., you should not say

March 24, 2008 - 7:48pm
Aloysius Indrayanto (not verified)

Hmm ..., you should not say that Linux is unstable just because of problems with one distro.

Basically, a distro (distribution) is a collection of Linux Kernels and applications. If it is unstable, it most likely not the fault of the Kernel code, but with other configuration.

Linux is a Kernel of an OS. Thus, the stability of a distro is not just determined by the Kernel, but by all the other components.

BTW, try Kubuntu rather than Ubuntu, because IMHO, KDE is easier to use than Genome for Windows users who want to migrate to Linux. However, my distro has always been Fedora for a long time and I'm happy with it. So, you may also want to try it.

regards,
Aloysius

Ubuntu is Better

March 29, 2008 - 3:21am
Anonymous (not verified)

Thanks. I have tried Ubuntu for a week. It is easier and more user friendly than SuSe. So far I like it. I have a friend he tried Red Hat for one year, eventually he quit Linx because of constant battle with unstable update. I thought SuSe could do a better job because of YaST. I was wrong. SuSe isn't better than Red Hat. Seems Ubuntu is the best for people with PC background.

I disagree - it's not Linux, just the vendor being lame.

March 30, 2008 - 10:28am
NthDegree (not verified)

After I purchased SLED 10 SP-1 for one month, Novell asked me to pay $800 for them to fix their bugs on my computer.

I'm guessing you'd let PC World talk you into buying Norton Anti-Virus? Community support is better than commercial support, commercial means exactly that "pay us or we won't help" mentality. Do you pay Microsoft for support with Windows? I think not, so why let fools over the phone convince you to get rip-off support from Novell?

For end-users, Linux is nowhere near stable comparing with MS. I will either go back to Microsoft or try Ubuntu.

Let me rephrase that for you: For end-users, Novell SuSE Enterprise Linux is nowhere near stable compared to Microsoft Windows XP.

Ubuntu may be a better solution, or why not OpenSuSE? You'll be gutted when you find the community support on Novell's "testbed" is better than Novell's own commercial support (even if you're a millionaire and can afford the costs). CentOS is Red Hat Enterprise Linux rebranded with community support, you'll find that will likely work well too - 5.x still has some minor niggles but they will be worked out over time, just check out how well 4.x has worked out.

Just try a few other distros and one or more will work out eventually. If all else fails try a flavour of BSD instead. If worst comes to worst try Mac OS X (forget what I just said there.....) :P

openSUSE

March 30, 2008 - 6:29pm
Rishi (not verified)

Exactly my words there :)

The latest stable release of openSUSE is 10.3 which I have been using since the past 6+ months and it rocks. Since 10.2, openSUSE has nothing less than being a pleasure, and in a few ways it kicks some Ubuntu ass :) By no means am I against Ubuntu, but I have seen some seamless working on openSUSE whereas it takes a little ticking to do a few things on Ubuntu. Any ways, the community support on both Ubuntu and SUSE have been awesome.

I have added some 5 extra repositories in addition to the official openSUSE repos and am the most happy person on earth, cuz whenever I want something, all I have to do is:
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zypper se i_want_this
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Sorry for going off-topic..
_
Rishi

Ubuntu is better than SuSe

April 2, 2008 - 12:05am
Anonymous (not verified)

I was originally planned to buy OpenSuSe 10.3 box version. Before I purchased, I called Novell and they convinced me SLED is better. Anyway, so far I am happy with Ubuntu.

Don't update :)

May 27, 2008 - 7:24pm
Anonymous (not verified)

Don't update :)

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