"This is the listing of the open bugs that are relatively new, around 2.6.22 and up. They are vaguely classified by specific area," Natalie Protasevich said, posting a current list of bugs [1] each linking to an appropriate bugzilla.kernel.org [2] entry. Andrew Morton reviewed the list, noting "no response from developers" in response to many of the bugs. David Miller pointed out that in some cases this wasn't true, referring to 46 bug fixes queued in his networking tree and another 10 already pushed upstream, "when someone like me is bug fixing full time, I take massive offense to the impression you're trying to give especially when it's directed at the networking. So turn it down a notch Andrew." Andrew wasn't convinced, "first we need to work out whether we have a problem. If we do this, then we can then have a think about what to do about it. I tried to convince the 2006 KS attendees that we have a problem and I resoundingly failed. People seemed to think that we're doing OK." He continued:
"This is not a minor matter. If the kernel _is_ slowly deteriorating then this won't become readily apparent until it has been happening for a number of years. By that stage there will be so much work to do to get us back to an acceptable level that it will take a huge effort. And it will take a long time after that for the kerel to get its reputation back. So it is important that we catch deterioration *early* if it is happening."
From: Natalie Protasevich <protasnb@...> Subject: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs [2]Date: Nov 13, 2:42 am 2007 This is the listing of the open bugs that are relatively new, around 2.6.22 and up. They are vaguely classified by specific area. (not a full list, there are more :) The good part is that reporters of the bugs below are still around and haven't dissipated, or disposed of their hardware, so it is a good time to get the bugs. Those bugzillas that have been started as regressions on Rafael's list are not mentioned here so far, since they are being tracked as new regressions already. It would be appreciated if the corresponding maintenance team could take a look, close off any which are fixed and see if they can fix any which aren't. NOTE: when replying to this email, please add the bug number to the Subject in the form [Bug 1234] so that bugzilla will capture the discussion. Thanks. ACPI==================================================================== System does not load without acpi=off ide=nodma noapic http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9358 [3] Kernel: 2.6.23.1 ACPI Error attaching device data http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9354 [4] Kernel: 2.6.24-rc2 /proc/acpi/battery displays Incorrect voltages http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9341 [5] Kernel: 2.6.23.1 PATA scan: ACPI Exception AE_AML_PACKAGE_LIMIT... is beyond end of object http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9320 [6] Kernel: 2.6.24-rc2 (Tejun: calling _GTF without calling _STM first. _GTM doesn't have any prerequisite (it can't). Can someone familiar with ACPI tell me why the method is failing? At any rate, libata should work fine regardless of ACPI failures. Maybe it's time to start blacklist to skip ATA-ACPI for some boards to avoid those annoying messages during boot) ACPI Battery Info in /sys but not /proc/acpi http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9183 [7] Kernel: 2.6.23-rc8-mm2 When using ACPI on a Compaq Presario V6221EU the laptop goes into deadlock after a random amount of time http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9118 [8] Kernel: 2.6.23-rc6 ACPI video driver should validate brightness level before setting it via _BCM http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9277 [9] Kernel: 2.6.23 VIDEO/DVB dvb driver reboot system http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9357 [10] Kernel: 2.6.21.5 PLATFORM=============================================================== xipImage is built so that uBoot cant run it (ARM) http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9356 [11] Kernel: 2.6.21 Samsung R20 - ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (0000:00) http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9339 [12] Kernel: 2.6.24 (boot is very long ..MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC then the boot stop at : ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (0000:00) (during 3 minutes, and boot continue) system_64.h: switch_to inline asm should be more robbust wrt optimizations http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9302 [13] Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or CONFIG_HPET_TIMER set kernel 2.6.23 doesn't boot (ARM, Timer) http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9229 [14] Kernel: 2.6.23 NETWORKING=========================================================== RTNLGRP_ND_USEROPT does not report ifindex (IPv6) http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9349 [15] Kernel: 2.6.24+ a kernel error happend in the func: __skb_dequeue when using in pfifo_fast_dequeue http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9342 [16] Kernel: 2.6.11.1 - reporter asked to try recent kernel e100 does not work after boot http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9336 [17] Kernel: 2.6.23.1 2.6.23.1-smp kernel panic (network-related) http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9318 [18] Kernel: 2.6.23.1 Infiniband panic sundance -> 4port D-Link System Inc DFE-580TX -> Log errors http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9311 [19] Kernel: 2.6.22.9 via-rhine driver stalls with: PHY status 786d, resetting... http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9300 [20] Kernel: 2.6.23+ Weird network problems with 2.6.23-rc2 http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9080 [21] http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/11/40 [22] - description rt2500pci: low TCP throughput (wireless) http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9273 [23] Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 This is a regression Unable to build wifi network between zd1201 and b43 http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9237 [24] Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 Crash after module unload in b43 (wireless) http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9233 [25] Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 (net typhoon) "no descs for cmd, had (needed) 0 (1) cmd, 31 (7) resp" http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9225 [26] Kernel: 2.6.23.1 IDE/SATA========================================================= pata_pdc202xx_old excessive ATA bus errors http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9337 [27] 2.6.24-rc2 Drive seagate ST380011AS needs to be blacklisted http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9309 [28] Kernel: 2.6.22.X DVD-RAM umount and disk free bug http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9265 [29] Kernel: 2.6.15 (asked to try current kernel) FILE SYSTEMS======================================================= ext4: delalloc space accounting problem drops data http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9329 [30] Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 POSIX Access Control Lists cause bogus file system check errors http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9241 [31] Kernel: 2.6.23.1 MEMORY MANAGEMENT================================================ My system hangs when it has no more free memory to allocate via malloc() http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9316 [32] Kernel: 2.6.23 User program, "My system hangs when it has no more free memory to allocate via malloc()" BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 26121228/kswapd0[231] exited with preempt_count 1 http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9305 [33] EIP is at free_block+0x6d/0xe4 Kernel: 2.6.22.6 POWER MANAGEMENT================================================== IBM X41 looses time after Suspend2Disk http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314 [34] Kernel: 2.6.23 Suspend to RAM resume hangs on a tickless (NO_HZ) kernel http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9275 [35] Kernel: 2.6.23 This is HP notebook nc6320 T2400 945GM VIDEO DRIVERS======================================================== No text consoles with FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE_DETECT_PRIMARY http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9310 [36] Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 This is a regression PARALLEL PORT======================================================== LPC IT8705 POST port making noise on parallel port http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9306 [37] Kernel: 2.6.16+ I/O STORAGE=========================================================== kernel bug from pktcdvd http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9294 [38] Kernel: 2.6.23 After pci-e video card was installed, pci add-on usb card & firewire card fail http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9223 [39] Kernel: 2.6.20 (testing of latest kernel requested) SCSI================================================================== qla2xxx: driver initialization does not complete when booting with Port connected http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9267 [40] Kernel: 2.6.23.1 SOUND ALSA============================================================ Unable to load snd-hda-intel module: Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9242 [41] Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 usbaudio microphone: regular sound distortion on several Logitech Webcams http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9230 [42] Kernel: 2.6.22.9 HID==================================================================== Kernel NULL pointer dereference at :usbhid:hiddev_ioctl+0x2f/0xabc http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9216 [43] Kernel: 2.6.23.1 Looks like this is a regression - 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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@...> Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs [45]Date: Nov 13, 7:15 am 2007 On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich" <protasnb@gmail.com> wrote: > This is the listing of the open bugs that are relatively new, around > 2.6.22 and up. They are vaguely classified by specific area. > (not a full list, there are more :) > > The good part is that reporters of the bugs below are still around and > haven't dissipated, or disposed of their hardware, so it is a good > time to get the bugs. > Those bugzillas that have been started as regressions on Rafael's list > are not mentioned here so far, since they are being tracked as new > regressions already. Thanks. > It would be appreciated if the corresponding maintenance team could take a > look, close off any which are fixed and see if they can fix any which aren't. > > NOTE: when replying to this email, please add the bug number to the Subject in > the form [Bug 1234] so that bugzilla will capture the discussion. > Thanks. You're optimistic. > ACPI==================================================================== > > System does not load without acpi=off ide=nodma noapic > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9358 [46] > Kernel: 2.6.23.1 One response from a developer > ACPI Error attaching device data > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9354 [47] > Kernel: 2.6.24-rc2 Zero responses from developers > /proc/acpi/battery displays Incorrect voltages > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9341 [48] > Kernel: 2.6.23.1 Zero responses from developers > PATA scan: ACPI Exception AE_AML_PACKAGE_LIMIT... is beyond end of object > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9320 [49] > Kernel: 2.6.24-rc2 > (Tejun: calling _GTF without calling _STM first. _GTM doesn't have any > prerequisite (it can't). Can someone familiar with ACPI tell me why the method > is failing? At any rate, libata should work fine regardless of ACPI failures. > Maybe it's time to start blacklist to skip ATA-ACPI for some boards to avoid > those annoying messages during boot) Tejun doing stuff > ACPI Battery Info in /sys but not /proc/acpi > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9183 [50] > Kernel: 2.6.23-rc8-mm2 Marked as a duplicate of an already-resolved bug. > > When using ACPI on a Compaq Presario V6221EU the laptop goes into > deadlock after a random amount of time > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9118 [51] > Kernel: 2.6.23-rc6 Someone called Jike Song is trying to help out. Regular developers awol. > > ACPI video driver should validate brightness level before setting it via _BCM > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9277 [52] > Kernel: 2.6.23 Zero responses from developers > VIDEO/DVB > > dvb driver reboot system > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9357 [53] > Kernel: 2.6.21.5 Mauro thinks it might be bad hardware > > PLATFORM=============================================================== > > xipImage is built so that uBoot cant run it (ARM) > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9356 [54] > Kernel: 2.6.21 Zero responses from developers > > Samsung R20 - ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (0000:00) > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9339 [55] > Kernel: 2.6.24 > (boot is very long > ..MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC > then the boot stop at : > ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (0000:00) > (during 3 minutes, and boot continue) No response from developers > system_64.h: switch_to inline asm should be more robbust wrt optimizations > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9302 [56] > Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 Not really a bug. > with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or CONFIG_HPET_TIMER set kernel 2.6.23 doesn't > boot (ARM, Timer) > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9229 [57] > Kernel: 2.6.23 No response from developers > NETWORKING=========================================================== > > RTNLGRP_ND_USEROPT does not report ifindex (IPv6) > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9349 [58] > Kernel: 2.6.24+ No response from developers > a kernel error happend in the func: __skb_dequeue when using in > pfifo_fast_dequeue > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9342 [59] > Kernel: 2.6.11.1 - reporter asked to try recent kernel No response from developers > e100 does not work after boot > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9336 [60] > Kernel: 2.6.23.1 No response from developers > 2.6.23.1-smp kernel panic (network-related) > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9318 [61] > Kernel: 2.6.23.1 > Infiniband panic No response from developers > sundance -> 4port D-Link System Inc DFE-580TX -> Log errors > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9311 [62] > Kernel: 2.6.22.9 No response from developers > via-rhine driver stalls with: PHY status 786d, resetting... > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9300 [63] > Kernel: 2.6.23+ No response from developers > > Weird network problems with 2.6.23-rc2 > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9080 [64] > http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/11/40 [65] - description No response from developers > rt2500pci: low TCP throughput (wireless) > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9273 [66] > Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 > This is a regression No response from developers > Unable to build wifi network between zd1201 and b43 > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9237 [67] > Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 No response from developers > Crash after module unload in b43 (wireless) > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9233 [68] > Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 No response from developers > (net typhoon) "no descs for cmd, had (needed) 0 (1) cmd, 31 (7) resp" > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9225 [69] > Kernel: 2.6.23.1 No response from developers > > IDE/SATA========================================================= > > pata_pdc202xx_old excessive ATA bus errors > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9337 [70] > 2.6.24-rc2 No response from developers > Drive seagate ST380011AS needs to be blacklisted > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9309 [71] > Kernel: 2.6.22.X Jeff and Tehun did some stuff. > DVD-RAM umount and disk free bug > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9265 [72] > Kernel: 2.6.15 (asked to try current kernel) No response from developers > FILE SYSTEMS======================================================= > > ext4: delalloc space accounting problem drops data > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9329 [73] > Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 No response from developers > POSIX Access Control Lists cause bogus file system check errors > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9241 [74] > Kernel: 2.6.23.1 Andreas did some work, seemed to lose interest. > MEMORY MANAGEMENT================================================ > > My system hangs when it has no more free memory to allocate via malloc() > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9316 [75] > Kernel: 2.6.23 > User program, "My system hangs when it has no more free memory to > allocate via malloc()" Rafael poked Thomas a week ago, to no effect. Thomas has been travelling. > BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address > 26121228/kswapd0[231] exited with preempt_count 1 > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9305 [76] > EIP is at free_block+0x6d/0xe4 > Kernel: 2.6.22.6 No response from developers > POWER MANAGEMENT================================================== > > IBM X41 looses time after Suspend2Disk > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314 [77] > Kernel: 2.6.23 Rafael poked Thomas a week ago, to no effect. Thomas has been travelling. > Suspend to RAM resume hangs on a tickless (NO_HZ) kernel > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9275 [78] > Kernel: 2.6.23 > This is HP notebook nc6320 T2400 945GM No response from developers > > VIDEO DRIVERS======================================================== > > No text consoles with FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE_DETECT_PRIMARY > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9310 [79] > Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 > This is a regression No response from developers > > PARALLEL PORT======================================================== > > LPC IT8705 POST port making noise on parallel port > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9306 [80] > Kernel: 2.6.16+ > No response from developers > I/O STORAGE=========================================================== > > kernel bug from pktcdvd > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9294 [81] > Kernel: 2.6.23 I think we might have fixed this. > After pci-e video card was installed, pci add-on usb card & firewire card fail > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9223 [82] > Kernel: 2.6.20 (testing of latest kernel requested) No response from developers > SCSI================================================================== > > qla2xxx: driver initialization does not complete when booting with > Port connected > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9267 [83] > Kernel: 2.6.23.1 No response from developers > SOUND ALSA============================================================ > > Unable to load snd-hda-intel module: Unknown symbol in module, or > unknown parameter > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9242 [84] > Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1 Takashi has responded > usbaudio microphone: regular sound distortion on several Logitech Webcams > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9230 [85] > Kernel: 2.6.22.9 Clemens responded > HID==================================================================== > > Kernel NULL pointer dereference at :usbhid:hiddev_ioctl+0x2f/0xabc > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9216 [86] > Kernel: 2.6.23.1 > Looks like this is a regression No response from developers So I count around seven reports which people are doing something with and twenty seven which have been just ignored. Three of these reports have been identified as regressions. All three of those remain unresponded to. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org [87] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html [88]
From: David Miller <davem@...> Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs [88]Date: Nov 13, 7:39 am 2007 From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:15:53 -0800 > > NETWORKING=========================================================== > > > > RTNLGRP_ND_USEROPT does not report ifindex (IPv6) > > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9349 [89] > > Kernel: 2.6.24+ > > No response from developers That's funny, then how come there was a proper patch fix posted and it's now in my tree ready to go to Linus? I think you like just saying "No response from developers" over and over again to make some of point about how developers are ignoring lots of bugs. That's fine, but at least be accurate about it :-) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org [90] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html [91]
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@...> Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs [91]Date: Nov 13, 7:49 am 2007 On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:39:46 -0800 (PST) David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote: > From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:15:53 -0800 > > > > NETWORKING=========================================================== > > > > > > RTNLGRP_ND_USEROPT does not report ifindex (IPv6) > > > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9349 [92] > > > Kernel: 2.6.24+ > > > > No response from developers > > That's funny, then how come there was a proper patch fix posted > and it's now in my tree ready to go to Linus? > > I think you like just saying "No response from developers" over and > over again to make some of point about how developers are ignoring > lots of bugs. That's fine, but at least be accurate about it :-) Do you believe that our response to bug reports is adequate? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org [93] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html [94]
From: David Miller <davem@...> Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs [94]Date: Nov 13, 7:58 am 2007 From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:49:16 -0800 > Do you believe that our response to bug reports is adequate? Do you feel that making us feel and look like shit helps? I guess I'm just masterbating here all night long with the 46 bug fixes I've reviewed fully and queued up into my tree. Along with all the 10 or so -stable submissions I did tonight as well. When someone like me is bug fixing full time, I take massive offense to the impression you're trying to give especially when it's directed at the networking. So turn it down a notch Andrew. I bet if you did things like list explicitly by name every single person who adds a bug fix (however trivial) to an -mm release instead of a new feature, you'll better achieve your goal than what you're doing here. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org [95] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html [96]
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@...> Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs [96]Date: Nov 13, 8:12 am 2007 On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:58:24 -0800 (PST) David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote: > From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:49:16 -0800 > > > Do you believe that our response to bug reports is adequate? > > Do you feel that making us feel and look like shit helps? > That doesn't answer my question. See, first we need to work out whether we have a problem. If we do this, then we can then have a think about what to do about it. I tried to convince the 2006 KS attendees that we have a problem and I resoundingly failed. People seemed to think that we're doing OK. But it appears that data such as this contradicts that belief. This is not a minor matter. If the kernel _is_ slowly deteriorating then this won't become readily apparent until it has been happening for a number of years. By that stage there will be so much work to do to get us back to an acceptable level that it will take a huge effort. And it will take a long time after that for the kerel to get its reputation back. So it is important that we catch deterioration *early* if it is happening. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org [97] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html [98]
From: David Miller <davem@...> Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs [98]Date: Nov 13, 8:32 am 2007 From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:12:59 -0800 > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:58:24 -0800 (PST) David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote: > > > From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> > > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:49:16 -0800 > > > > > Do you believe that our response to bug reports is adequate? > > > > Do you feel that making us feel and look like shit helps? > > That doesn't answer my question. > > See, first we need to work out whether we have a problem. If we do this, > then we can then have a think about what to do about it. > > I tried to convince the 2006 KS attendees that we have a problem and I > resoundingly failed. People seemed to think that we're doing OK. > > But it appears that data such as this contradicts that belief. > > This is not a minor matter. If the kernel _is_ slowly deteriorating then > this won't become readily apparent until it has been happening for a number > of years. By that stage there will be so much work to do to get us back to > an acceptable level that it will take a huge effort. And it will take a > long time after that for the kerel to get its reputation back. > > So it is important that we catch deterioration *early* if it is happening. You tell me what I should spend my time working on, and I promise to do it OK? :-) For example, if I have a choice between a TCP crash just about anyone can hit and some obscure issue only reported with some device nearly nobody has, which one should I analyze and work on? That's the problem. All of us prioritize and it means the chaff collects at the bottom. You cannot fix that except by getting more bug fixers so that the chaff pile has a chance to get smaller. Luckily if the report being ignored isn't chaff, it will show up again (and again and again) and this triggers a reprioritization because not only is the bug no longer chaff, it also now got a lot of information tagged to it so it's a double worthwhile investment to work on the problem. I think a lot of bugs that "aren't getting looked at" are simply sitting in some early stage of this process. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org [99] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html [100]
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