... .org > > > Subject: Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words > > > > > > On Sat, ... how powerless someone is without > > > the freedom > > > > to change a program ... , like OpenBSD is 100% written in machine code *giggle* > > Rui > > -- > Grudnuk ...

openbsd-misc - Tony Abernethy - Sep 15 2007 - 10:13

... .org > > > > Subject: Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words > > > > > > > > On Sat ... he has no access to the source code. > > > > > > > > You seem to ... like OpenBSD is 100% written in machine code *giggle* > > > > Rui > > > > -- > > Grudnuk ...

openbsd-misc - Rui Miguel Silva Seabra - Sep 15 2007 - 12:56

... gnu.org> > Subject: Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words > User- ... some users to not have the freedoms you claim to defend. ... of you. Your point is that the BSD license is a "wrong" because it gives people too much freedom. You just stated this ...

openbsd-misc - Sebastien Carlier - Sep 14 2007 - 08:50

... Richard Stallman > Subject: Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words > > On Fri, ... allows some users to not have > the freedoms you claim to defend. > > In my point of view, that is a social failure, which the GPL > aims to end. > > > Do you ...

openbsd-misc - Tony Abernethy - Sep 14 2007 - 07:52

Daft? Nobody here defended that (the GPL)? Are you tweedledee or tweedledum? > ... rms@gnu.org > Subject: Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words > > On Fri, ... -licensed (except with explicit consent > of the copyright/etc owner(s)). > > Are you ...

openbsd-misc - Tony Abernethy - Sep 14 2007 - 06:26

... .org > Subject: Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words > > On ... can see for > yourself). So the > > spirit is established. I can ... If one user looses freedom, the spirit is broken. So > YOU ... YOLD 3173 > + No matter how much you do, you never do ...

openbsd-misc - Tony Abernethy - Sep 14 2007 - 06:31

... misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words > > On Fri, ... you can see for > yourself). So > > >> the spirit is established. I can play ... > Please stop and think, you're confusing issues. > > Rui > > -- > P'tang! > ...

openbsd-misc - Tony Abernethy - Sep 14 2007 - 08:03

... .org > Subject: Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words > > On ... how powerless someone is without > the freedom > > to change a program ... he has no access to the source code. > > You seem to ... art gone down that badly in the last forty-odd years ...

openbsd-misc - Tony Abernethy - Sep 15 2007 - 08:25

... openbsd.org > > Subject: Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words > > > > On Sat ... about how powerless someone is without > > the freedom > > > to change a program because ... , like OpenBSD is 100% written in machine code *giggle* Rui -- Grudnuk ...

openbsd-misc - Rui Miguel Silva Seabra - Sep 15 2007 - 09:48

... Seabra wrote: >> | > On 2007-09-14 11:13:11, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >> | "Fewer words", eh? -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance, Inc. jwoehr@absolute-performance.com 303-443-7000 ext ...

openbsd-misc - Jack J. Woehr - Sep 14 2007 - 11:19

... that writeup about the Atheros / Linux / SFLC story is a > bit ... liked it's clarity so much that they asked me to ... year 2047. As you indicated in a previous posting, this does ... long demonstrated their (re)definitions of commonly used words and phrases ...

openbsd-misc - Nick Holland - Sep 13 2007 - 07:09

... less free (in your definition). The BSD has fewer requirements, > > | but ... some users to not have the freedoms you claim to defend. > ... a modified binary version has the > freedom to modify it. Go ... folks need to change the meanings of words to get your ...

openbsd-misc - Greg Thomas - Sep 14 2007 - 13:18

... or less free (in your definition). The BSD has fewer requirements, but it ... the freedoms you claim to defend. In my point of view, that is a social failure, which the GPL aims to end. > Do you ... the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do, you never do ...

openbsd-misc - Rui Miguel Silva Seabra - Sep 14 2007 - 07:24

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:06:56 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >There's no blind so bad as that which refuses to see. There's nothing I >can do to change that. Pot, Kettle, Black. R/ "Write a wise saying and your name will live on forever

openbsd-misc - RW - Sep 14 2007 - 19:58

> as if that would make all past wrong > arguments become true. Your subjunctive is derailed. Tweedledee is getting tweedledummer and dummer

openbsd-misc - Tony Abernethy - Sep 15 2007 - 10:10

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openbsd-misc - Marco Peereboom - Sep 15 2007 - 13:45

... 14 11:13:11, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > The spirit of the GNU GPL is to maintain freedom for all ... *more free* than the GPL because the BSD license imposes *fewer requirements* on distribution. Do you seriously believe people have to be coerced ...

openbsd-misc - Sebastien Carlier - Sep 14 2007 - 07:39

... don't seem to get the fact that I'm not ... less free (in your definition). The BSD has fewer > > | requirements, but ... a program, you can modify it as much as you want with ... see "no reverse engineering" clauses in many commercial licenses, they actually ...

openbsd-misc - J.C. Roberts - Sep 14 2007 - 18:25

... to loose freedom... >> Hello again Rui, >> >> the US. Over here, if you ... you can modify it as >> much as you want > > Good luck ... . Did you read the subject line in the last week? It ... has reverse engineered the HAL for the Atheros and then donated ...

openbsd-misc - Jeroen Massar - Sep 15 2007 - 07:58

... > give a wrong assumption to the story. When there is a statement needed, > please let talk the legals and until they give advise ... a wrong advice can people bring in trouble. Which is why on ... of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do ...

openbsd-misc - Rui Miguel Silva Seabra - Sep 13 2007 - 18:58