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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Aki Niemi <aki.niemi@nokia.com> Date: 2009/5/11 Subject: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono) To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Cc: Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> Intel and Nokia are pleased to jointly announce the oFono project (http://ofono.org), an open source project for developing an open source telephony solution. oFono.org is a place to bring developers together around designing an infrastructure for building mobile telephony (GSM/UMTS) applications. oFono.org is licensed under GPLv2, and it includes a high-level D-Bus API for use by telephony applications of any license. oFono.org also includes a low-level plug-in API for integrating with Open Source as well as third party telephony stacks, cellular modems and storage back-ends. The plug-in API functionality is modeled on public standards, in particular 3GPP TS 27.007 "AT command set for User Equipment (UE)." Source code is available on http://ofono.org/downloads and a high-level architecture diagram is available on http://ofono.org/documentation. To join the mailing list, go to http://lists.ofono.org/listinfo/ofono. Nokia and Intel will jointly maintain the oFono project. We'd like to invite all developers to join the oFono.org effort and community. Marcel Holtmann <holtmann@linux.intel.com>, Intel Open Source Technology Center Aki Niemi <aki.niemi@nokia.com>, Nokia Devices R&D, Maemo Software -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ok another api framework for smartphones,this time provided by big guys, but which hardware?, I haven't see any reference on that in the web site. any clue any one? -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
--0016364c7c07c57f700469a8c4bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit an android without the htc? :) On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez < --0016364c7c07c57f700469a8c4bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable an android without the htc? :)<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Ma= y 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<= a href=3D"mailto:david@tuxbrain.com">david@tuxbrain.com</a>&gt;</span> wrot= e:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Ok another api framework for smartphones,th= is time provided by big<br> guys, but which hardware?, I haven&#39;t see any reference on that in the<b= r> web site. any clue any one?<br> <br> 2009/5/11 Jeffrey Ratcliffe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeffrey.ratcliffe@gmail.c= om">jeffrey.ratcliffe@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br> <div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; ---------- Forwarded message -------= ---<br> &gt; From: Aki Niemi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aki.niemi@nokia.com">aki.niemi@n= okia.com</a>&gt;<br> &gt; Date: 2009/5/11<br> &gt; Subject: [Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony<br> &gt; project (oFono)<br> &gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:debian-devel@lists.debian.org">debian-devel@list= s.debian.org</a><br> &gt; Cc: Marcel Holtmann &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:marcel@holtmann.org">marcel@= holtmann.org</a>&gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt; Intel and Nokia are pleased to jointly announce the oFono project<br> &gt; (<a href=3D"http://ofono.org" target=3D"_blank">http://ofono.org</a>),= an open source project for developing an open source<br> &gt; telephony solution.<br> &gt;<br> &gt; oFono.org is a place to bring developers together around designing an<= br> &gt; infrastructure for building mobile telephony (GSM/UMTS) applications.<= br> &gt; oFono.org is licensed under GPLv2, and it includes a high-level ...
Mumble mumble... may they join/fund FSO guys? :)))
Nicola
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somehow... i just don't see that happening. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster@rasterman.com _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Yeah, that's pretty sad. They should have picked FSO or even Pyneo or at least something that is already in development for quite a while. This way it looks like NIH syndrome. Until now, trying to co-work with these guys typically went like "yeah, you can take our APIs, if you want. No, we don't want to look at yours, thanks.". In contrast to that, FSO rather embraces application developer's requests. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Hi, On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 20:08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer Someone is trying to make they use Pyneo on #ofone channel right now. []'s Levy/Lewis. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I seriously doubt Nokia would ever have python on a Symbian device, especially on S40. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software R&D, Nokia Pty Ltd _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Actually, Nokia is quite pro-Python. Check out these links for more info. http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/ http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_extensions Btw, an S60 device runs on the Symbian OS. An S40 device does not. ( Btw, Nokia is pro-Ruby as well :-) . However, Ruby on Symbian is not as mature as Py60 is. Read more at: http://developer.symbian.com/main/community/open_source_projects/ruby/index.jsp ) - Ajith Hussain, Senior Software Engineer, Devices R&D, Nokia _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Let me rephrase that then. I doubt Nokia will ever ship python on a Symbian device. Just because someone started an open source project within Nokia, doesn't mean it will ship in a -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software R&D, Nokia Pty Ltd _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I am not qualified to comment on that but here's hoping... :-) - Ajith Hussain, Senior Software Engineer, Devices R&D, Nokia _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Actually, the S60 All-in-one SDKs seems to support Python development (officially). So I don't feel Py60 should be seen just as another open source project started by someone within Nokia. (Source: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/ec866fab-4b76-49f6-b5a5-af0631419e9c/S...) Coming back to the topic, personally, I feel the FSO interface should have been adopted. D-Bus based APIs? OFono seems to be an alternate standard to what FSO already established. While choice is good when it comes to implementations, too much "choice" in interfaces/standards, fragments the community, and much productivity is lost in duplicating stuff. - Ajith Hussain, Senior Software Engineer, Devices R&D, Nokia _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Except we all know that python is not the direction Nokia is currently taking. Quite possibly OFono was started development before FSO. and besides, OFono doesn't use python. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I am a bit confused. I was under the impression that OFono was the name give to the D-Bus interface that was being standardised. I didn't realize it referred to the implementation. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
kettle calling the pot black... This is partly due to the fact that they planned the roadmap forward in years, not weeks or months, not to mention the waterfall development style they are probably using. You tell me, is Nokia opening up and really embracing open source? http://qt.gitorious.org/qt -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software R&D, Nokia Pty Ltd _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
(Private note: I have this strange sense of Deja Vu :-), although it's been a long time since we had this argument :-) What sounds like an asset is a liability thanks to fragmentation. I'd rather Which doesn't make me more confident in their ability to shape the platform APIs _together_ with the application developers as opposed to merely impose it That's Qt and they have inherited this style from Trolltech. The way Nokia has developed Maemo it was always about take it or leave it the way it is. Open source does not necessarily mean an open development process, you should know that better than me :) _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 06:30, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer Looks like they want a framework for UI guys create UIs for Maemo! []s Lewis/Levy. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
True. But Nokia is paranoid about patents and copyrights and licenses and such things. Which might I think that most open source projects have a rather closed development process. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software R&D, Nokia Pty Ltd _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Just some simplified thoughts (my 2 euro cents): Invitation to major companies: give lead developers of a certain open source technology you want to adopt an air plane ticket to your office and sit down for an afternoon. Those guys (and girls) can also work under a contract with/for you or you could assign some developers of your own to work with them. Just do lots of operational risk management to guarantee a successful outcome (=proper project management). I know it sounds a bit daring, because major companies cannot afford to have a zillion phones produced without properly working software to go with it. From the other side, complete automated test suits integrated in release management, like Android is using, is lacking in FSO/SHR. such a tighter procedure could be used to control the risks in releases _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer 'These *type* of guys' or 'these guys'? Just wondering, was FSO in touch with them. Anyways, I am sure that the momentum of FSO wont die down because of this. :) Regards Sudharshan S Blog : http://www.sudharsh.wordpress.com IRC : Sup3rkiddo @ Freenode, Gimpnet _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
On Mon, 11 May 2009 22:24:43 +0200 "tammaro \"pamdirac\" palombo" <pammoko@gmail.com> said: android isn't linux. it doesn't count. (imho). it's a diferent os of its own that happens to use a linux kernel (and a totally different userspace where some -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster@rasterman.com _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Maybe we'll see an Intel SoC real soon now... -- Keep the Lasagna flying! Today is Boomtime, the 59th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Maybe we'll see an Intel SoC real soon now... -- Keep the Lasagna flying! Today is Boomtime, the 59th day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
