Re: future phones that you can hack. news.

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From: Carsten Haitzler
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 6:07 pm

Just an FYI here.

I can officially leak this. We (over in Enlightenment land) are working with a
major electronics manufacturer (one that happens to pump out 100's of millions
of phones every year of pretty top-notch hardware quality - and who also
happens to like making phones high-spec with nice screens, good SoC's and 3G.
If what we do is a phone, or a TV, or a game system, or a DVD player... who
knows!). What does this mean? Well - no guarantees, but they are now sponsoring
us. That says something. If we are working on something you can guess the rest
I'd say.

Who it is - will wait for future announcements. What, when and where will also
need to wait. How open it is, will also need to wait. But you can guess that if
we are fiddling with it - it's already partly open.

So... just dropping a "keep your eyes peeled".

P.S. No glamos were hurt during this work. Actually they were not even
involved. :)

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From: rixed
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 9:25 pm

If we are allowed to hack it as much as you are allowed to speack about it,
well...


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From: Robin Paulson
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 1:37 am

steady on, i think both you and christoph are jumping to unfair
conclusions there

let's wait and see, before we lay into it or the programmers

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From: Fabian Schölzel
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 1:47 am

Sounds interesting! Please keep us informed!

Cheers,
Fabian

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From: Vasco Névoa
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:11 am

I do understand the skepticism, but thinking about the apparent success 
a pseudo-open platform like Android is having near the manufacturers and 
users, I'd say there is a very good chance something groundbreaking (in 
terms of market attitude) may actually happen. Android is fierce 
competition, and others may take the plunge into "openness" just to 
fight it. It's a "lesser evil" choice for the manufacturers (or in this 
case, a "lesser potential for losses in the near future").
Carry on, people!! :)
Just don't let them twist your values. ;)

From: Sebastian Reichel
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:23 am

Hi,

For those of you not reading phoronix, they identifed their new
sponsor as Samsung. You can read the article here:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzcxNQ

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From: Nicola Mfb
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:37 am

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Sebastian Reichel
<elektranox@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh! now it's not anymore a secret :)

     Niko

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From: David Reyes Samblas Martinez
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:48 am

the cuestion will be, how open is bada?

David Reyes Samblas Martinez
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From: rixed
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:57 am

And how open the hardware itself.


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From: David Reyes Samblas Martinez
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 3:12 am

I don't  hold my breath for  this, major hardware vendors are just
"understanding" the benefits of FOSS software
vs propietary but they are far away to aply this to his hardware they
still  very tight to the old ways of producing hardware and it
involves a lot of secrets to avoid any one else stole their ideas and
patents.

David Reyes Samblas Martinez
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From: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:59 am

I would expect it to be as open as Android, N900, iPhone. I.e. you can  
write <emphasis>application</emphasis> software but have somewhat  

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From: David Reyes Samblas Martinez
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 3:20 am

Yes, this are my thoughts too.

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From: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 3:26 am

And I forgot: restrictions how you can publish and distribute your new  
applications.

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From: David =?iso-8859-1?q?Lanzend=F6rfer?=
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 7:23 am

My personal hope is, that they unexpectetly change to OpenMoko, and just are 
inspiring the Enlightenment people to optimize theire desktop better for 
mobile devices.
But such hopes are totaly unrealistic... I know.
There was only one FIC, and it didn't work very well. :-(

leviathan
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From: Carsten Haitzler
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 2:52 am

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:48:50 +0100 David Reyes Samblas Martinez
<david@tuxbrain.com> said:



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From: Wolfgang Spraul
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 8:32 pm

Fantastic news, congratulations for getting this off the ground and I wish
you a lot of success with it!
Keep in touch,
Wolfgang


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From: Brenda Wang
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009 - 2:50 am

cool!!!!
Great News.

Brenda Wang 



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From: Davide Scaini
Date: Friday, November 20, 2009 - 4:02 am

great!
hoping great times for "e" too!
d

From: Michael
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009 - 1:58 pm

The main questions will be will it need a binary only video driver for  
acceleration and are other binary only drivers needed for the other  
hardware. If this is the case, then it does not matter how smooth the  
graphics are, because you will eventually end up being stuck with an  
old and crufty kernel.

Michael.


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From: Carsten Haitzler
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009 - 3:44 pm

here's your dose of reality. you have no choice here - in fact samsung has no
choice. talk to imgtec. they are the ones keeping their driver closed. but...
your point on crufty kernel is wrong - becaus is not opense the kernel
components of their driver are open... but, in principle you're riight because
should there be an a.out -> elf style userspace chnage or oabi -> eabi - you'll
be stufffed too.

but - as i said. this is something not even the device makers can do anything
about. right now the modern soc's almost all use an imgtec 3d unit. the only
other possible competitor was a samsung 6410 3d unit. as of the s5pc110 that
has been replaced with an imgtec sgx540. so - it's all imgtec now.

... with the exception of some hot-off-the-press cortex-a9 soc's that use the
mali-400 - an soc from ARM.... and guess what! this is not open either.
right now there is no viable 3d accel unit option in production that is open
(the old 3d unit in the s3c6410 is deprecated, so... that makes it not viable).

and before you start - and say something like "but samsung make the phones and
the soc's" you need to realise - samsung != samsung. it's a conglomerate with a
parent holder, but the samsung that makes the cpu's - its a separate company
to the samsung that makes phones, or tv's hell.. there's a samung that makes
cars. they are separate companies, and thus are treated as such. samsung uses
not just samsung soc's - they have omap, pxa, msm and others. so look at
samsung like you see motorola or nokia or others. it's not a special case where
they get to design the soc that is in their products.

your beef is with the core licensors of 3d units. that's right now mostly
imgtec (sgx, mbx etc.) and new kid on the block - arm (mali). i suggest you try
and convince them to be open. and just whining won't do it. give them good
business reasons. money talks. (also remember most of them wouldn't even pick
up the phone for small orders of maybe 10,000 or 20,000 units. these guys will
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