Just an FYI here. I can officially leak this. We (over in Enlightenment land) are working with a major electronics manufacturer (one that happens to pump out 100's of millions of phones every year of pretty top-notch hardware quality - and who also happens to like making phones high-spec with nice screens, good SoC's and 3G. If what we do is a phone, or a TV, or a game system, or a DVD player... who knows!). What does this mean? Well - no guarantees, but they are now sponsoring us. That says something. If we are working on something you can guess the rest I'd say. Who it is - will wait for future announcements. What, when and where will also need to wait. How open it is, will also need to wait. But you can guess that if we are fiddling with it - it's already partly open. So... just dropping a "keep your eyes peeled". P.S. No glamos were hurt during this work. Actually they were not even involved. :) -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) raster@rasterman.com _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
If we are allowed to hack it as much as you are allowed to speack about it, well... _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
steady on, i think both you and christoph are jumping to unfair conclusions there let's wait and see, before we lay into it or the programmers _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sounds interesting! Please keep us informed! Cheers, Fabian _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I do understand the skepticism, but thinking about the apparent success a pseudo-open platform like Android is having near the manufacturers and users, I'd say there is a very good chance something groundbreaking (in terms of market attitude) may actually happen. Android is fierce competition, and others may take the plunge into "openness" just to fight it. It's a "lesser evil" choice for the manufacturers (or in this case, a "lesser potential for losses in the near future"). Carry on, people!! :) Just don't let them twist your values. ;)
Hi, For those of you not reading phoronix, they identifed their new sponsor as Samsung. You can read the article here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzcxNQ -- Sebastian
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Sebastian Reichel
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Oh! now it's not anymore a secret :)
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the cuestion will be, how open is bada? David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
And how open the hardware itself. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I don't hold my breath for this, major hardware vendors are just "understanding" the benefits of FOSS software vs propietary but they are far away to aply this to his hardware they still very tight to the old ways of producing hardware and it involves a lot of secrets to avoid any one else stole their ideas and patents. David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I would expect it to be as open as Android, N900, iPhone. I.e. you can write <emphasis>application</emphasis> software but have somewhat -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbH&Co. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People -------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Yes, this are my thoughts too. David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable & embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
And I forgot: restrictions how you can publish and distribute your new applications. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
My personal hope is, that they unexpectetly change to OpenMoko, and just are inspiring the Enlightenment people to optimize theire desktop better for mobile devices. But such hopes are totaly unrealistic... I know. There was only one FIC, and it didn't work very well. :-( leviathan -- David Lanzendörfer OpenSourceSupport GmbH Junior system engineer and supporter
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Fantastic news, congratulations for getting this off the ground and I wish you a lot of success with it! Keep in touch, Wolfgang _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
cool!!!! Great News. Brenda Wang -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/future-phones-that-you-can-hack-news-tp4022482p4037038.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
great! hoping great times for "e" too! d
The main questions will be will it need a binary only video driver for acceleration and are other binary only drivers needed for the other hardware. If this is the case, then it does not matter how smooth the graphics are, because you will eventually end up being stuck with an old and crufty kernel. Michael. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
here's your dose of reality. you have no choice here - in fact samsung has no choice. talk to imgtec. they are the ones keeping their driver closed. but... your point on crufty kernel is wrong - becaus is not opense the kernel components of their driver are open... but, in principle you're riight because should there be an a.out -> elf style userspace chnage or oabi -> eabi - you'll be stufffed too. but - as i said. this is something not even the device makers can do anything about. right now the modern soc's almost all use an imgtec 3d unit. the only other possible competitor was a samsung 6410 3d unit. as of the s5pc110 that has been replaced with an imgtec sgx540. so - it's all imgtec now. ... with the exception of some hot-off-the-press cortex-a9 soc's that use the mali-400 - an soc from ARM.... and guess what! this is not open either. right now there is no viable 3d accel unit option in production that is open (the old 3d unit in the s3c6410 is deprecated, so... that makes it not viable). and before you start - and say something like "but samsung make the phones and the soc's" you need to realise - samsung != samsung. it's a conglomerate with a parent holder, but the samsung that makes the cpu's - its a separate company to the samsung that makes phones, or tv's hell.. there's a samung that makes cars. they are separate companies, and thus are treated as such. samsung uses not just samsung soc's - they have omap, pxa, msm and others. so look at samsung like you see motorola or nokia or others. it's not a special case where they get to design the soc that is in their products. your beef is with the core licensors of 3d units. that's right now mostly imgtec (sgx, mbx etc.) and new kid on the block - arm (mali). i suggest you try and convince them to be open. and just whining won't do it. give them good business reasons. money talks. (also remember most of them wouldn't even pick up the phone for small orders of maybe 10,000 or 20,000 units. these guys will begin to ...
