Re: Fantastic Experience

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From: SCarlson
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 8:49 pm

Hello All --

 I'd like to pipe in with my New Freerunner experiences thus far.

 I have had my phone for 2 weeks. I loaded up OM2008.8-update.

Here is the list :

 Solid GSM (Sending and Receiving). No Echo, clear calls, full bars.
 My SIM Card contact list imported automatically.
 SMS, Solid.
 Wifi, also works great.
 GPS works. 60 second TTFF and 40 second TTFF w/ external antenna (This is
without the capacitor fix)
 microSd works.
 Suspend/Resume .. solid (minus the GUI setting having no effect. but I
don't care, I just suspend manually with the power button when I'm not using
it).
 I made a usb cable, so now my phone can receive standard USB devices.. this
opens many doors.
 
When I was shopping for a mobile computer/phone, I scraped the planet for
something open and hackable. What I found was nice machines with propriety
software that goes through a Telecom company, which is then purposely
crippled and released for public consumption. Most of the crippling process
is based on a Business model that "nickels and dimes" us to death for
services and features that (I believe) we should already have. In the end,
the only answer for me was to by the GTA02. 

I'd like to say, that I'm here to stay, "on the band wagon", lets kick some
ass...

Completely Satisfied,
Scott R Carlson
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From: David Samblas
Date: Friday, September 12, 2008 - 2:25 am

I believe Sean and the rest of the Openmoko crowd  was thinking in
people like you when they decide to start this awesome trip ;) 

Thanks Scott for this encorageous post :) 


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From: Matthias Apitz
Date: Friday, September 12, 2008 - 5:20 am

Hi Scott,

Thanks for the nice comments which make me even more suffer because I

one question to the community: normally you can't switch easy between
normal USB mode, i.e. a host is talking to a USB device, and
host-to-host mode where two computers are talking to each other; the USB
FAQ even warns not to connecting two computers without any kind of USB
bridge, because this could damage the computers; see here:
http://www.usb.org/about/faq/ans5/

how is this electrically organised in the GTA02 that I could just use a gender
changer to switch between host-to-host mode or host-to-device mode?

thx

	matthias
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From: Joel Newkirk
Date: Friday, September 12, 2008 - 4:29 pm

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:20:13 +0200, Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de>

You cannot "just" use a gender changer.  As you already perceive, that's
just the physical connection being adapted.

Take a few minutes and read through http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host
and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables - the gist of it
is that you use a coupler or non-standard cable for the physical
connection, and settings in the kernel (configurable on-the-fly, of course)
tell the Freerunner whether it is USB Device or USB Host, and whether to
expect 5V over the USB to charge & power itself, or to provide 5V over USB
to power devices.  

There are also some clever things that can be done on this front that
aren't exploited yet, like sensing a resistor's presence or absence and
automatically switching things around.  I wrote a shell script to let me
choose (manually) among the various configurations more easily - when asked
to go to 'power-providing' host mode, it checks for 5V presence on the USB
port and refuses to send out 5V while it is so.  I expect similar
functionality will appear soon in the form of an applet.  (context menu
from the USB tray icon, perhaps?)

As an aside:  It'd be helpful if we could use a short standard term to
differentiate: Host mode providing power vs Host mode permitting charging. 
Given the non-standard nature of Host mode communication on top of
device-mode power, I figure there's no existing standard.  "powered host
mode" is descriptive but potentially confusing - what is 'powered': the
Freerunner or the devices...  Any suggestions, anyone, or someone know of a
(short) existing term in use?

j



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From: Christian Adams
Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 4:52 am

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i was planning such an applet .. is your script somewhere available?

ciao, morlac

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From: Joel Newkirk
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 5:22 am

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:52:55 +0200, Christian Adams <morlac@morlac.de>

Very sorry, somehow I'd overlooked this post.  (and somehow I found it)
 The script as it stands is attached.  It was lost to an SD corruption (I
was keeping /usr/local mapped to the card, and keeping mapfiles and
temporary storage of things I was working on there) so I've been recreating
it.

j
From: vasco.nevoa
Date: Friday, September 12, 2008 - 7:57 am

Well, as long as others are keen to share their positiveness, I  
thought I'd chime in as well. :P

The sudden death of my previous smartphone kicked me into using the  
freerunner everyday as main (and single) phone.
And I'm glad to say it has done a proper job for over a month, even  
though I flashed it every 2 or 3 days. :)
I have lost a few calls because of software issues, but these were  
exceptions (pun intended).

I tried the first 4 distros (OM2007.2, ASU, FSO, Qtopia) as soon as I  
got the phone (simultaneously in multiboot from the sd-card), and  
after a day I had thrown away Qtopia because it was too polished and  
not flexible enough (from an experimental point of view). :)
Then OM2007.2 got axed, so it went away too. But I couldn't yet wrap  
my mind around FSO's objectives, and I needed a working phone with a  
few extras, so FSO got the axe too. This left me with ASU (now  
officially OM2008.8), which I proceeded to torture almost daily with  
all the opkg feeds (including "testing") I could get my hands on. When  
OM reorganized the repositories, this caused a lot of confusion for  
me, but now I know what to expect from where.
I finally settled with the standard OM2008.8-update because it is the  
right balance between "stable" (as in "I won't lose calls and SMSs")  
and "experimental" (as in "I can try/develop all kinds of  
python-powered stuff and play with the geeky HW peripherals too").

The GPS works well (usually around 40 seconds to get a fix if the  
signal is any good - I did the capacitor hack as soon as I could,  
which was an interesting labor hour where I lost 3 capacitors because  
they are so damn small :S ).
The GSM is also ok, although I got once a couple of complaints of bad  
audio quality - this is now gone, it was probably a bad SW image.
SMS is also no problem.
The accelerometers have been fun to play with (duke3d, gestures,  
accelGame) and make for good "showing off" of openmoko.
Wifi mostly works - some APs better than ...
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