Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches

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From: Andy Green
Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 2:50 am

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
|> So the fact you were OK at drive level 0 should mean are able to use SD
|> card how you like without problems from SD_CLK to GPS any more.
|>
| Surely the hardware and software 'fixes' can only be seen as a total fix
| if they make the SN (signal to noise ratio) of the GPS the same as if
| the SD card is not present. I would have thought that each of these
| modifications would improve the SN ratio but would not make it the same
| as not having the SD card present.
|
| I know it is hard but it would be nice to get some figures on how each
| of these modifications by themselves and together effect the SN ratio.

As far as it is understood, having the SD card in or not is not actually
the issue... the problem has been that with an SD Card in we ran SD_CLK
all the time, and this raises the noise at 1.5GHz where GSM works.

There is a figure for the cap efficacy, it attenuates the crap coming
from SD_CLK by 10dB.  But of course stopping the clock does better, and
changing the rise and fall time is also directly effective even when the
clock does run.

| It might turn out that the software clock drive solution by itself is as
| good as or better than adding the capacitor, and adding the capacitor
| does not improve the SN ratio any further once the clock drive mod is
| done, which would make it unnecessary.

That's the current thinking, this issue can be solved by kernel update
and no rework.  Basically we're then not running the clock most time
anyway, and tests like the one in this thread (which ran the clock all
the time) show that at drive strength "0" we talk to the card fine but
do not perturb GPS significantly.

- -Andy
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Reason for GPS problems found!, thomasg, (Tue Jul 15, 3:42 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Konstantin, (Tue Jul 15, 4:05 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yorick Moko, (Tue Jul 15, 4:05 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Christophe Badoit, (Tue Jul 15, 4:07 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, thomasg, (Tue Jul 15, 4:09 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Tim Schmidt, (Tue Jul 15, 4:12 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jay Vaughan, (Tue Jul 15, 4:16 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jeffrey Malone, (Tue Jul 15, 4:16 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Ken Restivo, (Tue Jul 15, 4:16 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Roland Mas, (Tue Jul 15, 4:31 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Marcus Bauer, (Tue Jul 15, 4:35 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Rune Gangstø, (Tue Jul 15, 4:43 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, thomasg, (Tue Jul 15, 4:49 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Marcus Bauer, (Tue Jul 15, 4:52 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jay Vaughan, (Tue Jul 15, 4:53 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, thomasg, (Tue Jul 15, 4:58 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Mikko Rauhala, (Tue Jul 15, 5:14 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Tilman Baumann, (Tue Jul 15, 5:19 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jeffrey Ratcliffe, (Tue Jul 15, 5:22 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Brian C, (Tue Jul 15, 5:42 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Al Johnson, (Tue Jul 15, 5:53 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Bumbl, (Tue Jul 15, 5:56 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Gerald A, (Tue Jul 15, 6:00 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Søren Kristiansen, (Tue Jul 15, 6:27 am)
RE: Reason for GPS problems found!, Crane, Matthew, (Tue Jul 15, 6:32 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Ole Kliemann, (Tue Jul 15, 6:58 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Joerg Reisenweber, (Tue Jul 15, 7:05 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Joerg Reisenweber, (Tue Jul 15, 7:09 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, David Samblas Martinez, (Tue Jul 15, 7:14 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yaroslav Halchenko, (Tue Jul 15, 7:15 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jay Vaughan, (Tue Jul 15, 7:17 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jay Vaughan, (Tue Jul 15, 7:22 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yaroslav Halchenko, (Tue Jul 15, 7:22 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jay Vaughan, (Tue Jul 15, 7:25 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! Does it impact sound?, Yaroslav Halchenko, (Tue Jul 15, 7:25 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Alejandro Enrique, (Tue Jul 15, 7:30 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yorick Moko, (Tue Jul 15, 7:37 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Torfinn Ingolfsen, (Tue Jul 15, 8:27 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yogiz, (Tue Jul 15, 8:30 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, ian douglas, (Tue Jul 15, 8:37 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yaroslav Halchenko, (Tue Jul 15, 8:39 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Chris, (Tue Jul 15, 8:41 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yaroslav Halchenko, (Tue Jul 15, 8:56 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Christoph Anton Mitterer, (Tue Jul 15, 9:10 am)
Will SD/GPS issue affect delivery of next build?, Crane, Matthew, (Tue Jul 15, 9:50 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yogiz, (Tue Jul 15, 10:11 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu), (Tue Jul 15, 10:12 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Gary Oliver, (Tue Jul 15, 10:19 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Gary Oliver, (Tue Jul 15, 10:41 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Torfinn Ingolfsen, (Tue Jul 15, 11:34 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Dirk Bergstrom, (Tue Jul 15, 11:53 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Kalle Happonen, (Tue Jul 15, 12:13 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jay Vaughan, (Tue Jul 15, 12:21 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Kelvie Wong, (Tue Jul 15, 12:43 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yaroslav Halchenko, (Tue Jul 15, 1:04 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Al Johnson, (Tue Jul 15, 1:10 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Kyle Gordon, (Tue Jul 15, 1:31 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yaroslav Halchenko, (Tue Jul 15, 1:37 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, ian douglas, (Tue Jul 15, 1:41 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! Does it impact sound?, Joerg Reisenweber, (Tue Jul 15, 1:43 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Atilla Filiz, (Tue Jul 15, 1:44 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Joerg Reisenweber, (Tue Jul 15, 1:49 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Joerg Reisenweber, (Tue Jul 15, 1:50 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Joerg Reisenweber, (Tue Jul 15, 1:55 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, BlueStar88, (Tue Jul 15, 2:12 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jay Vaughan, (Tue Jul 15, 2:19 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Joerg Reisenweber, (Tue Jul 15, 2:29 pm)
RE: Reason for GPS problems found!, Robert Horton, (Tue Jul 15, 2:50 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Torfinn Ingolfsen, (Tue Jul 15, 2:51 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Michele Renda, (Tue Jul 15, 2:59 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Mikko Rauhala, (Tue Jul 15, 3:07 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Christoph Anton Mitterer, (Tue Jul 15, 3:08 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Hugo Mills, (Tue Jul 15, 3:33 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Steven Kurylo, (Tue Jul 15, 3:39 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, ian douglas, (Tue Jul 15, 3:40 pm)
RE: Reason for GPS problems found!, Robert Horton, (Tue Jul 15, 3:47 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, "Marco Trevisan (Tre ..., (Tue Jul 15, 5:10 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Simon Matthews, (Tue Jul 15, 5:39 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Joerg Reisenweber, (Tue Jul 15, 5:47 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Wolfgang Spraul, (Tue Jul 15, 6:22 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Matt Joyce, (Tue Jul 15, 7:23 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Joachim Steiger, (Tue Jul 15, 8:24 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, "Marco Trevisan (Tre ..., (Tue Jul 15, 8:46 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jay Vaughan, (Tue Jul 15, 11:28 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Michele Renda, (Tue Jul 15, 11:33 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Marcus Bauer, (Tue Jul 15, 11:34 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Kalle Happonen, (Tue Jul 15, 11:45 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jay Vaughan, (Tue Jul 15, 11:48 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jay Vaughan, (Tue Jul 15, 11:50 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Wolfgang Spraul, (Wed Jul 16, 12:01 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Brian C, (Wed Jul 16, 12:10 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Marcus Bauer, (Wed Jul 16, 12:17 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Kalle Happonen, (Wed Jul 16, 12:18 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, David Samblas Martinez, (Wed Jul 16, 12:22 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Alexey Feldgendler, (Wed Jul 16, 12:33 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Andrew Bennett, (Wed Jul 16, 12:37 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Kalle Happonen, (Wed Jul 16, 12:42 am)
Re: Will SD/GPS issue affect delivery of next build?, Torsten Sievers, (Wed Jul 16, 1:02 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu), (Wed Jul 16, 1:14 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, john, (Wed Jul 16, 1:20 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Alexey Feldgendler, (Wed Jul 16, 1:21 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu), (Wed Jul 16, 1:26 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Marek Lindner, (Wed Jul 16, 1:27 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jay Vaughan, (Wed Jul 16, 1:49 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, arne anka, (Wed Jul 16, 2:23 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jeffrey Ratcliffe, (Wed Jul 16, 2:23 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Al Johnson, (Wed Jul 16, 2:55 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Christophe Badoit, (Wed Jul 16, 3:01 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, arne anka, (Wed Jul 16, 3:04 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Alejandro Enrique, (Wed Jul 16, 3:41 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Flemming Richter Mik ..., (Wed Jul 16, 5:32 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Sander van Grieken, (Wed Jul 16, 5:32 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Joerg Reisenweber, (Wed Jul 16, 5:43 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Joerg Reisenweber, (Wed Jul 16, 5:55 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, nick loeve, (Wed Jul 16, 7:11 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Andy Green, (Wed Jul 16, 8:02 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Kyle Gordon, (Wed Jul 16, 8:03 am)
RE: Reason for GPS problems found! And fixed., Crane, Matthew, (Wed Jul 16, 8:25 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, nick loeve, (Wed Jul 16, 8:26 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! And fixed., Travis Tabbal, (Wed Jul 16, 8:41 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, BlueStar88, (Wed Jul 16, 10:12 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Dave Clark, (Wed Jul 16, 10:22 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yorick Moko, (Wed Jul 16, 10:42 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Eildert Groeneveld, (Wed Jul 16, 12:54 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Ole Kliemann, (Wed Jul 16, 2:03 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Christoph Anton Mitterer, (Wed Jul 16, 4:30 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Christoph Anton Mitterer, (Wed Jul 16, 4:43 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Christoph Anton Mitterer, (Wed Jul 16, 5:06 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Torfinn Ingolfsen, (Wed Jul 16, 5:50 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Tracy R Reed, (Wed Jul 16, 5:58 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yair Mahalalel, (Wed Jul 16, 6:19 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, JW, (Wed Jul 16, 6:51 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Jay Vaughan, (Thu Jul 17, 1:00 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, nick loeve, (Thu Jul 17, 1:55 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, arne anka, (Thu Jul 17, 2:38 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Timo Jyrinki, (Thu Jul 17, 2:49 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Andy Green, (Thu Jul 17, 4:18 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, nick loeve, (Thu Jul 17, 5:01 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Russell Sears, (Thu Jul 17, 8:46 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Timo Jyrinki, (Thu Jul 17, 9:24 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Russell Sears, (Thu Jul 17, 12:23 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Andy Green, (Thu Jul 17, 12:58 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yair Mahalalel, (Thu Jul 17, 3:51 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Andy Green, (Fri Jul 18, 1:28 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Timo Jyrinki, (Fri Jul 18, 2:25 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Andy Green, (Fri Jul 18, 2:58 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Timo Jyrinki, (Fri Jul 18, 3:42 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Flemming Richter Mik ..., (Fri Jul 18, 3:56 am)
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIM Cards?, Philipp Aeberli, (Fri Jul 18, 4:53 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Brian C, (Fri Jul 18, 6:33 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, JW, (Fri Jul 18, 6:49 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Joerg Reisenweber, (Fri Jul 18, 7:40 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Christophe Badoit, (Sat Jul 19, 4:36 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Ville-Pekka Vainio, (Sat Jul 19, 11:26 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yaroslav Halchenko, (Sat Jul 19, 8:03 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Torfinn Ingolfsen, (Sun Jul 20, 3:38 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Flemming Richter Mik ..., (Sun Jul 20, 4:32 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Yaroslav Halchenko, (Sun Jul 20, 9:20 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Andy Green, (Sun Jul 20, 10:50 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Ville-Pekka Vainio, (Sun Jul 20, 11:33 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Andy Green, (Sun Jul 20, 5:11 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Alexey Feldgendler, (Mon Jul 21, 12:28 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Andy Green, (Mon Jul 21, 12:35 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Roland Mas, (Mon Jul 21, 1:01 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Andy Green, (Mon Jul 21, 1:22 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Scott Derrick, (Mon Jul 21, 10:38 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Andy Green, (Mon Jul 21, 1:27 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Simon Matthews, (Mon Jul 21, 8:43 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Andy Green, (Tue Jul 22, 2:50 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Mikko Rauhala, (Tue Jul 22, 3:38 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Jay Vaughan, (Tue Jul 22, 4:41 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Bastian Feder, (Tue Jul 22, 4:53 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Andy Green, (Tue Jul 22, 5:01 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Jay Vaughan, (Tue Jul 22, 5:12 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Andy Green, (Tue Jul 22, 5:25 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, arne anka, (Tue Jul 22, 5:29 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Andy Green, (Tue Jul 22, 5:41 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, nick loeve, (Tue Jul 22, 5:44 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, arne anka, (Tue Jul 22, 5:52 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, nick loeve, (Tue Jul 22, 6:19 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Simon Matthews, (Tue Jul 22, 6:53 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Cédric Berger, (Tue Jul 22, 7:07 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Vinc Duran, (Tue Jul 22, 7:22 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Andy Green, (Tue Jul 22, 7:25 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Andy Green, (Tue Jul 22, 7:26 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Andy Green, (Tue Jul 22, 7:27 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Alexey Feldgendler, (Tue Jul 22, 8:01 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Andy Green, (Tue Jul 22, 8:34 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Mikko Rauhala, (Tue Jul 22, 8:39 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Alexey Feldgendler, (Tue Jul 22, 8:42 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Timo Jyrinki, (Tue Jul 22, 10:55 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!, Andy Green, (Tue Jul 22, 11:07 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, NeilBrown, (Tue Jul 22, 2:21 pm)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Simon Matthews, (Wed Jul 23, 1:49 am)
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches, Andy Green, (Wed Jul 23, 1:57 am)