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That's a bit cryptic - what are you saying is wrong? It it the idea of removing the shielding, or the claim that the GPS performance improves dramatically if the microSD card is removed? Ken Young _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
That of course. Even if it is a good idea to test. No one should suggest to rip off the SD card holder to anyone before it is absolutely proven. This can not longer be called a claim after so much confirmation. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a solution, but it still act as a workaround (provided the GPS is able to keep the fix once the SD is re-inserted). _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Considering you need to remove the battery and SIM to install a microSD card, probably not :o) _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
you can go around the removing battery part if you power FR over USB. Are you sure you have to remove also SIM? -- sledge, not a FR owner yet _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
inserting the sd card requires the batter to be removed -- thus forcing th gps to a cold start ... i think we're back at the point where feeding data to the chip is meaningful ... _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
------=_Part_8223_5645411.1216134699209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline *sigh* If a fix isn't found for this, I guess I'm waiting till the next version. I need GPS and SD at the same time. Hopefully the OM team can provide a simple fix as it seems to be a hardware issue. ------=_Part_8223_5645411.1216134699209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline <div dir="ltr">*sigh*<br><br>If a fix isn&#39;t found for this, I guess I&#39;m waiting till the next version. I need GPS and SD at the same time. Hopefully the OM team can provide a simple fix as it seems to be a hardware issue. <br> </div> ------=_Part_8223_5645411.1216134699209--
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not the best but a better (than reinserting the sd card on the fly) is using a external antenna. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Are the actual circuit schematics and board layouts for the FR available? Does anyone know of good open source circuit simulation/RF software? Also, depending on whats going on with the SD card issue, the easiest workaround might be to design a small external antenna (I think someone mentioned a micro strip antenna earlier, that might be a good idea.) -Greg _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
------=_Part_9100_29548788.1216137805874 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Not really an acceptable option for many. External GPS antennas are cumbersome beasts when used on a mobile device like the FR. I use one on my handheld GPS unit for geocaching, and it's really kind of annoying. ------=_Part_9100_29548788.1216137805874 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline <div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:19 AM, smurfy - phil &lt;<a href="mailto:openmoko@smurfy.de">openmoko@smurfy.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> not the best but a better (than reinserting the sd card on the fly) is<br> using a external antenna.<br></blockquote><div><br><br>Not really an acceptable option for many. External GPS antennas are cumbersome beasts when used on a mobile device like the FR. I use one on my handheld GPS unit for geocaching, and it&#39;s really kind of annoying. <br> </div></div></div> ------=_Part_9100_29548788.1216137805874--
--nextPart2079312.GkS5kv0j3M Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I *really* don't like very much those people who start whining and complain= ing=20 when the problem is dissected and solution is near. Just let me crawl thru the ~150 posts regarding GPS from today, and then we= 'll=20 come up with some statement that will stop that whining :-) cheers jOERG --nextPart2079312.GkS5kv0j3M Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIfRFA7Xtwhpk1UgwRAuwaAJ0RSxSrGrmala5CjTnaCksBksToVQCgpk8n DnrqZDfwHSnMd0HwgRrv3GY= =NMcY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2079312.GkS5kv0j3M--
With the greatest respect I think people have good reason to *complain*. Looking at these lists I'd bet there are more system engineers and developers than *ordinary* users.... why? because we saw a device that was open and accepted the fact that the software was in its infancy and perhaps relished the chance to be involved to bringing it up to spec..... but one thing that was not expected was that people would be spending money on a device that could have potential hardware issues. Perhaps those complaining are those who can least afford to blow $399. Regards, Jon _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 But acconding you, OM team is happy because there is a hardware bug in Freerunner? I am one of the persons that just bougth a 350 EURO phone: when I bought the phone I was already knowing that was not an End User device. They tried to make the hardware bug free... they failed: we must to kill ourself? I think that the most intelligent thing to do is to start to move and to search for a solution (as did some fantastic persons in this list). A software one or an hardware one. For who like me, that just bought the phone, I'd like to have some instructions released to hardware solve the problem (bringing to an repair center) but first I think we must deeply understand why it happen and how to solve! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkh9FmAACgkQSIAU/I6SkT2jvQCgh47ODyU/7r1JXvbHqm/dG+bb 0csAn1fSs95NbzwNNmSbR8JDSaZltLeJ =DsOH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
--nextPart1444906.9rLmi6ocsT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You're kidding, no? You ever bought a piece of HW you were guaranteed there is *definitively* n= o=20 hardware bug in it? None, or you get a billion$? c'mon! That's why I say I don't like those people. They never noticed the bug, and= =20 when we are about to discuss it and to offer a solution they start=20 whining. "OOOh, the BAD bug. If only I never had bought..." Instead of plain asking what we're going to do to MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY agai= n.=20 (what we are already about to do!) /jOERG --nextPart1444906.9rLmi6ocsT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIfRiD7Xtwhpk1UgwRAqmhAJ96uH23stYuhZhfnrpA3QKgxB3B6ACfcmwv u9VPB/0XZoB+urLqckXzYB4= =BuS8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1444906.9rLmi6ocsT--
Ever heard of Consumers rights? Lemon Laws? You can't sell hardware They are your customers. This is an open source project, people have Sure will be nice when its done, but for now, we do need to keep talking about the issue, and the point needs to be made that this *is* a serious issue for many people, if it doesn't get resolved in a fashion that makes sense. I'm already miffed about the Glamo/SD issue - for me, Glamo was one of the great things about Freerunner on 'paper', and now its not so useful after all. I would be really turned off if the same thing happened to GPS. So, yes, please tune us into the fix when you've got one. But in the meantime, no need to get upset because your customers are communicating with each other.. ; -- Jay Vaughan _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
--nextPart1321576.Z5VMy8RCeL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Ever thought about I might feel personally offended by you publically assum= ing=20 I sell hw I *know* or even have suspect there is a HW-bug in it. Ever heard= =20 And I have this chance too. I just say "I don't like those people..." Did you consider the public image that's being created by a statement like = "Ah=20 well, this seems not to work. So the brick is useless for me. Damn the day = I=20 bought it" This statement is offending and deprecating on all the people that are=20 actually about to fix the issue that's so bitterly complained about. And it= 's=20 an implicit lie as there's no problem we resigned on to solve it and put th= e=20 device to use for the complaining customer. But honestly, I don't like to continue this debate, and I actually don't ha= ve=20 the time to. Have some bugs to fix, U know ;-) Appreciate our efforts or not. ETX jOERG --nextPart1321576.Z5VMy8RCeL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQBIfR6J7Xtwhpk1UgwRAuxlAJjXzHUl/Ocl7Gy14QMPyQV1pSssAJ9vvveT J2ebzB2hIrQEIz0raGlnNQ== =0QSR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1321576.Z5VMy8RCeL--
Joerg is right. Most of the comments, especially lately are a bit over the line. I understood where people were coming from a few days ago when the only response I saw regarding the GPS was the PDF showing good results implying that the problem was not duplicated by the people who need to see it. Today, however, with the root cause found and Joerg's many emails everyone should just wait for the solution. I didn't get in on the 1973, but bought the FR based on the many good things I saw with the openness of the hardware, software, and company. I bought the FR knowing that when you adopt anything in the early stages you may have to ride a few uncomfortable waves. Based on what I've seen, I have confidence that they will solve this problem and many others. Just think, Microsoft's Xbox 360 had a pretty bad HW issue with its heatsink and early adopters of that gaming system had lots of issues. Stuff happens. Joerg and all at Openmoko, thanks for working on this and don't let the negative comments get to you...most of us silently applaud your work. -Robert -----Original Message----- From: community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:03 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Jay Vaughan; Jonathan Spooner Subject: Re: Reason for GPS problems found! Ever thought about I might feel personally offended by you publically assuming I sell hw I *know* or even have suspect there is a HW-bug in it. And I have this chance too. I just say "I don't like those people..." Did you consider the public image that's being created by a statement like "Ah well, this seems not to work. So the brick is useless for me. Damn the day I bought it" This statement is offending and deprecating on all the people that are actually about to fix the issue that's so bitterly complained about. And it's an implicit lie as there's no problem we resigned on to solve it and put the device to use for the ...
Thank you, really! What is happening in the bugs management here, wouldn't happen nowhere in the market world. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Hello Openmoko community, I'm a recent lurker on this list, attracted by the wonderful spirit surrounding Openmoko. Coming from a free software background (and yeah, zealotry too) I never had much patience for the closed and crippled nature of mobile phones and when pressured into carrying one, bore it as a necessary evil. The 1973 was the first time I ever saw a phone I actually wanted to have; I lusted over it for months, a wicked little platform I can use and abuse to my heart's content, and didn't try to get one just because I knew I couldn't afford the time to hack it good and proper like I should. But the FreeRunner is a final confirmation that this is no mirage, and the 25th will be the long awaited piggy smashing day. This world is going somewhere fast, and for this ride I'll get myself a front row seat. But there is something on this subthread that bothers me considerably. Beyond the many things, both fine and nasty, that have been said about Openmoko's failure to discover the bug during development and manufacture, and the way in which they're handling the situation now, there hasn't been a single voice addressing the community's shared responsibility for having such a bug appear and traced only after the final product has been shipped. If freedom is a basic tenet of this platform and not some random boon to help developers, and if these early units were sent out to create a community that shares in the unfolding of the system, then testing the units, finding the bug and tracing its origins, even if not fixing it outright, should have been in part the community's duty. A hardware manufacturer is responsible of course for the extensive in house testing and quality assurance that make sure that clearly non-functioning units will never be shipped out, but these are complex systems that require testing in the field - alpha testing, beta testing - the work and price one has to pay for having the cool toys first. And it doesn't really matter who's got an early version ...
Nope. I have not ever made that assumption. I assumed you didn't If you can't understand why people would be frustrated to learn that something as simple as testing GPS with the SD Card in the phone hasn't been done, then you shouldn't be selling hardware. ; -- Jay Vaughan _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
It's not that the frustration wouldn't be understood, it's that creating negative atmosphere in public is not productive in any way, just the opposite. It does zero good for fixing the bug or for the community. So, why complain then? It's not about silencing the (most) frustrated people, I'm frustrated too but I know it does not encourage positive co-operation on fixing problems to complain aloud about everything. So please consider why some people have crafted posts trying to ensure Openmoko people that "most people appreciate the work being done" etc., even though they themselves would have been hit badly by the problem too. I don't think it helps either to make sure one's rights are listened to - I think one reason people might complain is that they simply want to create noise so that Openmoko knows it's important. Please, show a little more respect and trust for them - they will do anything they can anyway (why wouldn't they?). And even if there's time for complaining and demanding, possibly in private, the time is not now since the issue and all possible solutions are not known. So, if it's not productive (or positive), please try to restrain yourself from posting (there have been enough complains already). -Timo _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I was expressing sad tone along with the other fellow, instead of complaining. I think that (and not harsher shouts/demands/insults) would be appropriate. Otherwise, imagine, fellows do keep on confirming this bug [would happen with any other issue, too] -- this _is_ a lack of functionality, -- but you receive no emails with `please, fix it, I won't be able to work in the direction I have dedicated/bought FR for that 75%' or so. In such case, OM won't be able to prioritize things to fix first, defer others, if you will silent the people from saying, `yes, this is the problem I want it to be fixed, as it dumps >50% of my intended phone's usage'. This case was obvious enough being critical, but there may be other non-so-critical-from-the-first-glance issues. You don't have a knowledge base for every possible future use/combinations of FR, this is endless, and might be influenced by any HW/SW quirk. And even in this GSP+µSD case it would have been pretty strange to see people not asking for a fix for this, just because they have been silenced. And people don't read the >100-mail threads, they'll just subscribe and complain.. -- Simonas _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Agreed. -- Alex. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Jay, please, cool it! How often do you want to repeat this. I hope you attitute this never falls onto your own feet. Eildert _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
So maybe you shold apply for the job of Head-Test-Designer and Head-HW-Salesman at OM, stop whining and improve the Tests and then you would be able to guarantee: There is no problem chewing bubble-gum and using your Freerunner, while you are walking with your dog. *IF THIS ISSUE was that trivial, did you reported the solution?* best papa-piet _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
i think everything to be said is said already -- and more than once and necessary. while everybody is free to repeat those rants over and over if would be for the best of the list if it could STOP right now! please, let's move on and mark the issue "you said, i said, he said and we all thought" mark as solved. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Yeah, definitely with you on the 'moving on' part .. glad to see there is a workaround for the GPS+SD problems, and I'm also watching the SD +Glamo hacking with keen interest .. j. ; -- Jay Vaughan _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
C'mon guys! I'm sick of all this s**t!! Jay, if you don't like Freerunner go away and shut up, else stay but still shut up! _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Le 14075ième jour après Epoch, First, you must be sure there is a hardware bug. For instance, nobody knows. Second, everybody here is aware that hardware, like software, is never bug-free. Especially on this device. I admit that hardware bug is harder to correct for the end-user, but it's the deal, no? Third, ... ahem.. no third yet. Don't forget that Openmoko Inc. is a Company trying to focus on 2 goals: - create a free software phone - Have an invest return (Je ne sais pas traduire "retour sur investissement") I've paid (but not yet received) my FR, and even if I know there can be a hardware problem, I'll never complain about HW problems. I imagine there will be a GTA03, smarter and cheaper, but I'm not in the same situation of the iPhone first buyers... They have to do the best effort to correct problems, but as far as I know, it's the first firm saying "We sell you a piece of hardware, with all specs we can diffuse, do what you want with it"... _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
We're very inventive with our words... similarly we say 'Return on investment' - normally shortened to ROI :-) Kyle _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
This GPS problem shows a lot about the community vs openmoko. Some try to help (developers?) Some complain (regular users?) But what is really amazing is that a fix is almost ready right after the problem was addressed:) People with a working GPS without SD card, will soon have a working GPS no matter what. They should be extremely happy, not complain. On some phones, the GPS does not work without the SD card and I am afraid there will be no software work-around for that. The good thing is that this HW bug is only on a few of the phones. I respect Openmoko and I know they do their very best to solve these issues. It is better to let them work with solutions than to complain. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
--=-6bCYih6ZhQsK4RiNz35h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's true,... and thanks again to all involved people :-) However,.. one must really think why this problem didn't turn out in the Ok,.. but what will happen to those users? Will they get a free excange Of course,... and I can imagine that it's very annoying to the developers who do their best to read all those whining mails, even as some of them were quite unfriendly. But on the other hand one should not forget that the phone was a little bit expensive,... some of us might be still students or have little money for other reasons... thus I can understand if some of us were very impatient in this issue :-) Best wishes, Chris. --=-6bCYih6ZhQsK4RiNz35h Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: ...
Yes. That is indeed something that must be thought about. ; -- Jay Vaughan _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
--nextPart1802265.pP8D04yU5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Tony Tu already posted a response to this: Our factory tests can't be done= =20 under real live situation, we have to create an 'artificial' GPS signal to= =20 test. Our tests with this artificial signal didn't show any issue, even when test= ed=20 with uSD inserted, which was one of the tests. Please note: Even out in the wild there have been reports of decent fixtime= =20 with uSD *inserted*. So this is a +-3dB issue, where we didn't recognise ou= r=20 tests at fab were *a little* 'overoptimistic' with regard to real live. Thi= s=20 has been addressed by our production engineers last week and already should= =20 be fixed by now. /jOERG --nextPart1802265.pP8D04yU5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIffl27Xtwhpk1UgwRAo3AAJ0eTC1xSrV7EL9eqHc2JTX9q+a6WQCfVx8B F7WIk9gW+bMpKqYbR/BQzM0= =3hq+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1802265.pP8D04yU5J--
hi, i think the openmoko team is doing a great job. and everyone was onto it, to have a fast and good solution. so i think the real interesting question now is: Had someone tested Andy's "fix-force-sdcard-clk-off-when-idle" patch yet? Does it solve the problem? And how many mA does that patch save ;) (I still couldn't test patches. my phone hopefully arrives on 27th) so thanks for the work Joerg, Andy and the hole rest of the OM team. and also thanks to the man who found out that it is a SD-Card problem. (i still must have a fish somewhere, for all the guys who think that this is so bad and that it's impossible that the OM team delivered such a phone) best regards to all Beni _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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The kind of error that caused the GPS problem is very common in *every* new commercial product development. The severity varies, but I've been bitten by it many time. I think the devs at OpenMoko handled this one very, very well. And, I think that most of the users handled it very, very well too. The heroes of this story are of course whomever at OpenMoko came up with and implemented the fix, but also the user in Germany who isolated the bug down to the SD card through careful testing. That is the kind of cooperation that shows the value of Free Software. What was the time diff between the moment that the SD card was isolated as the source of the problem, and when a software fix was found, tested, and made available? Two days? One day? That's amazing. Hats off to everyone. -ken _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A lot of "regular" users are not complaining... Although they patiently wait for an answer =) (I didn't know there were "regular users" among openmoko users) - -- Christophe Badoit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIfaI6ynEdw4rmTRkRAljsAJ9UCmgfCsqsWGVYUrSpgj1IvPpMLQCdG3q1 04jCeT9A3/CNfpDEBguyEAc= =/kOY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I think you mean 'solution to the GPS problem'. Nothing else is going to stop the whining. ; -- Jay Vaughan _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Hi I do this using the utility at http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/matt_hsu/agps-online/ Using my account details and current location i can get agps data loaded, but it still makes no difference for me getting a fix if the sd card is still in place. -- Nick Loeve _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Yes, that doesn't help getting the fixes. However I did find that if I managed to get a fix to satellites with the SD card in use, the fix stayed extremely well where ever I went - so if the SD card interference with GPS could be lessened just for the duration of getting the fixes, it could be enough. It could be automatized as well. -Timo _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
--nextPart1612633.fav8Oacrqq Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline That's quite about what Andy's kernelpatch is doing! Stay tuned! /j --nextPart1612633.fav8Oacrqq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIfRK97Xtwhpk1UgwRAo9fAKCIPxmt0pQ5wTbxU5vQZwARfm8X/ACdH83A n+KchgGqk25vKnyxgnH7ylI= =qTOR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1612633.fav8Oacrqq--
It takes removal of the battery to insert the SD, so it's a bit of a cumbersome solution indeed ;-)
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--nextPart1261619.gkz2N279Eu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline first of all, if you wouldn't break the tthread by creating a new one inste= ad=20 of answering, everybody would understand much better.. wrong: probably your statement which I don't see now for you borked the thr= ead Don't try: probably you will destroy your Neo and won't gain anything /j --nextPart1261619.gkz2N279Eu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIfQ/t7Xtwhpk1UgwRAtm6AJ0bXazaYZGlgbJC3UNp0D++W81OjQCfZ3J5 +c3fUOgn9EyTfVbvHuJDJGE= =Ll+Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1261619.gkz2N279Eu--
