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------=_Part_9790_17763319.1214760145181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In what ways can two Freerunners plausibly communicate? Which is the fastest for data transfer? Can they connect via WiFi without a separate router? I've seen some discussion over how the Freerunner cannot be used as an access point. Does this mean two Freerunners wouldn't be able to create a network of just themselves? Can they connect through USB with one being the host and the other behaving as if it were connected to my desktop (as an external hard drive or whatever)? Is there another type of USB networking they can do? Is there enough control over the GSM chipset to communicate directly (without using the mobile phone network) between two Freerunners? This would violate some FCC regulation, right? And just for fun... Would there be any practical purpose for communicating through the headphone/mic jack? I'm assuming they can connect via bluetooth and that they can can make phone calls to each other :) -Charles ------=_Part_9790_17763319.1214760145181 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In what ways can two Freerunners plausibly communicate? Which is the fastest for data transfer?<br><br>Can they connect via WiFi without a separate router? I&#39;ve seen some discussion over how the Freerunner cannot be used as an access point. Does this mean two Freerunners wouldn&#39;t be able to create a network of just themselves?<br> <br>Can they connect through USB with one being the host and the other behaving as if it were connected to my desktop (as an external hard drive or whatever)?<br><br>Is there another type of USB networking they can do?<br> <br>Is there enough control over the GSM chipset to communicate directly (without using the mobile phone network) between two Freerunners? This would violate some FCC regulation, right?<br><br>And just for ...
What it does by default. You know, USB networking instead of mass Yes. -- Mikko Rauhala - mjr@iki.fi - <URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/> Transhumanist - WTA member - <URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/> Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - <URL:http://www.singinst.org/> _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AUDIO Routing! Yes! There are practical purposes: multiple freerunners being used to create a symphony of soft-synths, with an audio routing network between them to deal with mixing. ;) ; -- Jay Vaughan _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
------=_Part_1069_20002359.1214824333804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Would you explain this a little more, I'm not sure what you mean. -Charles ------=_Part_1069_20002359.1214824333804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:25 AM, Jay Vaughan &lt;<a href="mailto:jayv@synth.net">jayv@synth.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="Ih2E3d"> &gt;&gt; And just for fun... Would there be any practical purpose for<br> &gt;&gt; communicating through the headphone/mic jack?<br> <br> </div>AUDIO Routing! &nbsp;Yes! &nbsp;There are practical purposes: multiple<br> freerunners being used to create a symphony of soft-synths, with an<br> audio routing network between them to deal with mixing. &nbsp;;)<br> </blockquote><div><br>Would you explain this a little more, I&#39;m not sure what you mean.<br><br>-Charles<br></div></div><br> ------=_Part_1069_20002359.1214824333804--
> Would you explain this a little more, I'm not sure what you mean. I am developing a soft-synth for OpenMoko, and I believe others are too. We would like to jam together, but don't have a mixer. So we route the audio of one phone to the other, and do 'soft mixing' on the master phone .. ; -- Jay Vaughan _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
------=_Part_1129_6771778.1214825926723 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sounds interesting. Will you be doing this through cables or IR with a device similar to the one featured at http://features.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrar...? -Charles ------=_Part_1129_6771778.1214825926723 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Jay Vaughan &lt;<a href="mailto:jayv@synth.net">jayv@synth.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="Ih2E3d">I am developing a soft-synth for OpenMoko, and I believe others are<br></div> too. &nbsp;We would like to jam together, but don&#39;t have a mixer. &nbsp;So we<br> route the audio of one phone to the other, and do &#39;soft mixing&#39; on the<br> master phone ..<br> <div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Sounds interesting. Will you be doing this through cables or IR with a device similar to the one featured at <a href="http://features.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrared-remote-control/">http://features.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrared-remote-control/</a> ?<br> <br>-Charles<br></div></div> ------=_Part_1129_6771778.1214825926723--
Cables, of course .. or gadget-audio if possible .. ; -- Jay Vaughan _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What's wrong with "plain old" bluetooth? _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> What's wrong with "plain old" bluetooth? most devices concerned do not have bt: tv, hifi, vcr, dvd player ... _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sounds cool. Something completely new or something based on csound, supercollider or similar? I have seen the synth section of mini tamtam on olpc (using csound with python bindings) and was blown away. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Something new, but supercollider and puredata on the Freerunner will work, I imagine, quite well. Pair it up with some nice MIDI controller and a custom cable, and you've got a synth/music-making It doesn't take much to make music these days.. ; -- Jay Vaughan _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I say just two words. Acelerometers, Theremin. *g* True. But i have to admit, i'm more fascinated by the process of creating sounds than actually making music by bashing on some 'pad'. :) What things like elektroplankton, Tenori-On, Kaos Pad can do is impressive. Technology is way beyond analog sound synthesis. But i like the beauty of synth patching. I would really like to do some experiments on this while on a train or so. :) Cant wait to see what is coming... -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
------=_Part_17257_13105507.1214889121081 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Tilman Baumann <tilman@baumann.name> Theremin's are cool. ------=_Part_17257_13105507.1214889121081 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Tilman Baumann &lt;<a href="mailto:tilman@baumann.name">tilman@baumann.name</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="Ih2E3d">Jay Vaughan wrote:<br> &gt;&gt; Sounds cool. Something completely new or something based on csound,<br> &gt;&gt; supercollider or similar?<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt; Something new, but supercollider and puredata on the Freerunner will<br> &gt; work, I imagine, quite well. &nbsp;Pair it up with some nice MIDI<br> &gt; controller and a custom cable, and you&#39;ve got a synth/music-making<br> &gt; platform worth pocketing! &nbsp;Finally! :)<br> <br> </div>I say just two words. Acelerometers, Theremin. *g*<br> <br> Should be fun.<br> <div class="Ih2E3d"><br> &gt;&gt; I have seen the synth section of mini tamtam on olpc (using csound<br> &gt;&gt; with<br> &gt;&gt; python bindings) and was blown away.<br> &gt;<br> &gt;<br> &gt; It doesn&#39;t take much to make music these days..<br> <br> </div>True.<br> But i have to admit, i&#39;m more fascinated by the process of creating<br> sounds than actually making music by bashing on some &#39;pad&#39;. :)<br> What things like elektroplankton, Tenori-On, Kaos Pad can do is impressive.<br> Technology is way beyond analog sound synthesis. But i like the beauty<br> of synth patching. I would really like to do some experiments on this<br> while on a train or so. :)<br> <br> Cant wait to see what is coming...<br> <div ...
HA, theremin and acelerometers. Love it. Maybe when I get time I'll take a freerunner up to my friends at Emu and see what ideas they come up with. -----Original Message----- From: community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Tilman Baumann Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 11:53 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Inter-Freerunner Connectivity I say just two words. Acelerometers, Theremin. *g* True. But i have to admit, i'm more fascinated by the process of creating sounds than actually making music by bashing on some 'pad'. :) What things like elektroplankton, Tenori-On, Kaos Pad can do is impressive. Technology is way beyond analog sound synthesis. But i like the beauty of synth patching. I would really like to do some experiments on this while on a train or so. :) Cant wait to see what is coming... -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Do it! See if they'll port a few of their apps to it for us .. ;) ; -- Jay Vaughan _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
i just attended a convention where one of the events was an experimental music set by one of the attendees using a Tenori-On (and jamming with another attendee on a digeridoo[1]), and during the session it struck me that the OpenMoko platform would be able to do something similar to this, or at the very least be able to provide some nifty stuff in the same sort of vein of thought - maybe not as powerful (since the Tenori-On is a dedicated sound device, and thus has been able to be geared for this wrt multiple voices and a very powerful sound chip and such), but... you know, just a mind-burp, really, but still :) [1] http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xq5GHUKB4Y8 -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Yes, the tenori-on is definitely do-able with the OM phone .. I used to work for a major synth mfr, specifically working on a linux-for- music-gear distribution, but now I work for THALES making embedded systems for trains. I would love to work on an OM-compatible synth platform, but until then, I'll just keep working on OM-based music software to release You really *don't* need a very powerful system to do interesting audio, and Yamaha (who I have also worked for in the past) know this very, very well .. there is a lot of hype about it, sure, because DSP is inherently difficult for a lot of people to grasp, but we can do a lot of interesting things with the OM hardware, for sure .. FWIW, the Nintendo DS currently has some exciting apps being written for it, in the music-making department, and they work very well. Some of these apps will make their way over to OM once Freerunner starts getting a little traction, I imagine .. ; -- Jay Vaughan _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
This is very, very interesting news :) Very interesting indeed :) -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Actually they should be able to create Ad-Hoc networks. this means 2 FR will be able to connect each other. The Access Point functionality would have been usefull only when connecting 3 or more FR toghether. If you need to connect more than 2 FRs one way *might* be bridging wifi, bluetooth and USB connections, creating some kind of "chain". _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
We need GNU Radio on it;).
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