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Breakable	7 Reasons Why the New iPhone 3G Sucks ------=_Part_7509_650770.1214608065616 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.retrevo.com/content/special-reports/2008/06/7-reasons-why-new... Lets see where we beet it! ;) ------=_Part_7509_650770.1214608065616 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline <a href="http://www.retrevo.com/content/special-reports/2008/06/7-reasons-why-new-iph... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 7:07 pm 2008
William Lai	Re: Let us impact the material world iPod is an artifact for music lovers. Music is part of their lifestyle. The Neo is part of the lifestyle of every engineer that I work with at Openmoko. Coding is their life. Just like I share music with my friends through an ipod, these people proudly present their creations through a Neo. Whether that be a full suited application or a blinking light, it really is a pleasure to see things constantly 'being born'. I'm seeing people impact the material world everyday, in their own ... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 3:26 pm 2008
Arthur Britto	Re: Community Initiative GTK Part of what you want need is distribution support. You might find it amusing to see how crazy fast GPE on Gentoo, a meta Linux distribution, can be ported to a phone: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/embedded/55281 (Make sure to check out the pictures). -Arthur _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 2:29 pm 2008
Lorn Potter	Re: Community Initiative GTK Garmin's nuvifone is based on Qtopia. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 2:13 pm 2008
Marcus Bauer	Re: Community Initiative GTK Not the upcoming ones: http://butterfeet.org/?p=57 _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 2:32 pm 2008
Lorn Potter	Re: Community Initiative GTK That seems to be a different line of devices (in car navigation), and does not have any gsm features. http://www8.garmin.com/nuvifone/ _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 2:52 pm 2008
Ron K. Jeffries	rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt) ------=_Part_18367_33075873.1214589682304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Can someone explain the rationale for the decision to switch from the original GTK based OpenMoko to QT based version known as April Software Update (ASU)? As an observer, it's my impression that ASU represents a significant architectural change that somehow, Wham! Bang! "just happened." Transparency is a virtue. <g> Ron K. Jeffries http... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 2:01 pm 2008
Stroller	Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt) Rasterman is the rationale, as far as I can make out. Stroller. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 5:11 pm 2008
Kevin Dean	Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt) http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/openmoko-software... _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 2:12 pm 2008
Dave O'Connor	Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt) This has been done to death on the mailing list already. The archives lists it. Can we move on now please? _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 2:11 pm 2008
Steven Le Roux	Re: Community Initiative GTK ------=_Part_10193_18454537.1214588542984 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You will still be able to develop what you want with GTK if you want... but EFL are soooooooooo much beautiful ! (Hmm okay im an e17 user :) can one feel it ? ;)) EFL are optimized libs slower hardware, more powerful than gtk, wich is just a gui toolkit. EFL are so much more... -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : Steven@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB <stev... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 1:42 pm 2008
Jisakiel	Re: Community Initiative GTK --0-1981283833-1214587047=:15415 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You forget the biggest: Nokia (sells as many phones a day as iphones yet so= ld). Rest are just startups so far, or non-mobile-phone-related... And Noki= a looks like interested in QTopia (as they bought Trolltech!) ;) Firefox (xulrunner, as the GUI is not appropiate) can be replaced by khtml,= or however it is called now that it's part of qt 4.4. Openoffice in a phon= e does not... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 1:17 pm 2008
Lorn Potter	Re: Community Initiative GTK 14 Nokia phones are made each second. Qt will be a common API across all Nokia platforms. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 2:14 pm 2008
Joachim Steiger	Re: Community Initiative GTK would be nice. e.g. take the last gtk-based ui apps, rip out all libgsmd and neod dependencies and start communicating with the new middleware from FSO. this would basically solve all 'call stability' problems from gsmd times and give you the same, maintained middleware which in the future hopefully all openmoko devices will use. kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 12:53 pm 2008
Tilman Baumann	Re: Community Initiative GTK My idea too. I would like to see this... For what it is worth, the original GTK platform is nod dead. Attention just shifted away. And stability is ok as far as i can tell. Gsmd allegedly breaks standby. But works for me. Will see. I find the look and the UI design in general really well choosen. But it is not GTK what buys me. As long as GTK is there as a lib for compatibility. (which is AFAIK also the case with the other builds based on X11) But i would not mind if the Toolkit of the ... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 2:27 pm 2008
Shawn Rutledge	Re: Community Initiative GTK So just to be clear, FSO stands for FreeSmartphone.Org? And that stuff is working so well that it can replace gsmd and neod already? _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 2:14 pm 2008
jluis	Re: Community Initiative GTK I will try to be there but I fell sort of resources and skills _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 11:26 am 2008
Joe Pfeiffer	Re:Community Initiative GTK I for one definitely prefer GTK: as a toolkit I know and like it (in fairness I haven't developed for qt -- I have GTK and especially GTKmm), but in general I find I prefer the "look" of GTK-based apps better). I also felt the direction the phone was moving up until the ASU was looking very good and promising to me. It was much more along the lines of a handheld computer with phone featuers, which is what I want (the automatic sync with evolution was also very nice). I just noticed the other d... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 11:16 am 2008
Francesco Cat	Re: Community Initiative GTK I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 11:27 am 2008
Marcus Bauer	Re: Community Initiative GTK Basically Openmoko has stopped the development of the GTK stack in order to start a new stack called ASU. There are some 10.000 developers for GTK who can start any time making software for the Neo while there are very few developers for ASU, maybe 50. ASU is only used on the Neo whereas your GTK apps will run on the desktop or on the new MID devices like the ASUS eeePC right out of the box. Naturally for an open source developer it is a difference if the software will run on some hundred Neos or o... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 11:56 am 2008
Mike Doody	Re: Community Initiative GTK I'm confused what this ASU stack is that you are talking about? When I look at the architecture picture on the framework page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework I don't see ASU. I see Gtk+ and Qtopia and Enlightenment (and X11). So this ASU stack is only used on the Neo and nowhere else? If ASU is Qtopia or EFL, then I'm not so sure that's true... Regards, -mike _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 2:10 pm 2008
Tilman Baumann	Re: Community Initiative GTK A Qtpia build based on X11. (Qtopia is usually framebuffer) Fancy enlightenment launcher and applications menu. Qtopia base apps. And some individual new apps only seen on this platform. i think based It's both. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 2:22 pm 2008
Stroller	Re: Community Initiative GTK. X11 on ASU? Am I right in understanding that the earlier software stack wrote GTK to the framebuffer, whereas the ASU required the incorporation of an X11 server to the image? Stroller. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 1:02 pm 2008
Markus Schlichting	Re: Community Initiative GTK. X11 on ASU? [Empty message]	Jun 27, 1:48 pm 2008
cedric cellier	Re: Community Initiative GTK IIRC GTK is still present and always will be. But there are no more plans to varous a complete software set based on it. Apparently, this is more or less considered a feature from the OM team that no GUI is prefered over the other. Which is why I wondered what happended to the previous plans to provide a complete "mobility software set". But perhaps the aim of OpenMoko has _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org [ message continues ] " title="http://l... [ message continues ] ">http://l... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 11:52 am 2008
Joseph Reeves	Re: Community Initiative GTK I wondered the exact same thing. From the front page of the wiki: "Openmoko™ born as an Open Source project under GPL and LGPL license and dedicated to delivering an open software stack on mobile platforms, shipped its first product, the Neo 1973, on July 9 2007; and then, turned the project into a start-up company with one aim: create great mobile products using the Openmoko stack: Open. Mobile. Free." So the plan from the early days was to release an Open Source software stack, but this s... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 12:04 pm 2008
cedric cellier	Re: Community Initiative GTK Im not sure I understand anything about OpenMoko software plans. So I will reply your question with another, probably dumb one : Is anyone planning to try maemo on the freerunner ? _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 11:14 am 2008
arne anka	Re: Community Initiative GTK > Is anyone planning to try maemo on the freerunner ? my question, too. and what about ubuntu mobile? does anybody know whether the plan to test it on om? at least it's the first open phone in the wild -- should be a given development platform for them ... _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 11:26 am 2008
Jisakiel	Re: Community Initiative GTK --0-1935050527-1214587253=:88354 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IIRC ubuntu mobile was only x86 based, and addressed to bigger devices than= a phone (such as the Mobile Internet Devices - closer to n810 or even to a= sus EEE than to a phone).=20 What I'd really love is to see android software stack running on the moko. = Still not possible as android is not open, but they were supposed to free t= he whole stack, which should make possible t... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 1:20 pm 2008
Christ van Willegen	Re: Community Initiative GTK First of all, I'd be interrested in getting things to build on an iMac G5. After that, we'll see where it goes. I'm not against tha idea, although I'd have to learn to program TK (but learning a new plaform seems to be my forte lately...) If all else fails, I'll get an older PC off of eBay (or Marktplaats for the dutch). A Linux capable 700MHz (ish) PC with a 16G harddrive should suffice to install Ubuntu ad software stack, but getting it on my hom Mac would be better. Christ van Willegen -- ... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 11:07 am 2008
jluis	Re: Community Initiative GTK I have my Santa Rosa iMac building package & images over an usb storage using ubuntu & mokomakefile; You don't have any need to invest in other hardware _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 11:34 am 2008
Christ van Willegen	Re: Community Initiative GTK That's an Intel Mac, not a G5 one... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 12:01 pm 2008
arne anka	Re: Community Initiative GTK not sure, if you confuse something: gtk!=tk gtk is a c based toolkit used by gnome and gimp, tk ist a gui toolkit on i think you are far better of with a pc with about 1.5 ghz and a bigger harddisk. developing requires a lot of additional packages which take up a lot of space -- and a fast cpu is a real blessing when compiling often. besides, i don't think the price will differ much ... _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.op... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 11:30 am 2008
Christ van Willegen	Re: Community Initiative GTK That was a typoe for GTK... You have a point there, but having built all the packages, the Moko files will probably only be a couple of thousands of lines... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 12:02 pm 2008
Flemming Richter Mik...	Re: humor http://xkcd.org/440/ describes a use case for the neo:) _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 3:49 am 2008
Hans L	Re: humor On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen Is it possible to use the WiFi in the FreeRunner as an access point? -Hans _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 11:47 am 2008
Flemming Richter Mik...	Re: humor I think the WiFi chip does not support AP mode. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 3:13 pm 2008
Atilla Filiz	Re: humor ------=_Part_9409_17868525.1214593457260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline TGludXgga2VybmVsIDIuNi54IHNlcmllcyBoYXZlIHRoZSBBUCBhYmlsaXR5IEFGQUlLLiBTbyBp dCBzaG91bGQganVzdCB0YWtlCmEgbGl0dGxlIGNvZGluZyB0byBhY2hpZXZlIHRoaXMobWF5YmUg anVzdCBhIGxpdHRsZSBzaGVsbCBzY3JpcHQpLiBJZiB3ZQp3YW50IHNlY3VyZSBhY2Nlc3MgbGlr ZSBXUEEgZmxhdm91cnMsIHRoZW4gd2Ugd2lsbCBuZWVkIHNvbWUgcG9ydGluZy4KCk9uIEZyaSwg SnVuIDI3LCAyMDA4IGF0IDU6NDcgUE0sIEhhbnMgTCA8dGhlaGF... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 3:04 pm 2008
Mikko Rauhala	No WLAN AP functionality Sadly no, as it's a hardmac chip and the proprietary firmware lacks this feature. You should be able to use ad hoc mode for most purposes, albeit not always as conveniently. -- Mikko Rauhala <mjrauhal@cc.helsinki.fi> University of Helsinki _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 11:51 am 2008
Crane, Matthew	RE: No WLAN AP functionality But if you can plug a usb wifi stick which the kernel does support AP mode you could then use the internal wifi as the uplink. Be subversive, provide free wifi at airports! -----Original Message----- From: community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Mikko Rauhala Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:51 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: No WLAN AP functionality Sadly no, as it's a hardmac chip and the proprietary firmware lacks... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 12:49 pm 2008
Rod Whitby	Re: No WLAN AP functionality I'm finding it difficult to source a cheap usb wifi stick that Linux supports in AP mode. Do you have an example of one that you know works in this way, and has Linux drivers available for armel (which immediately cuts out any madwifi drivers due to eabi) ? -- Rod _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 7:12 pm 2008
Evgeny Ginzburg	Re: Freifunk@FreeRunner: OLSRD Nice enough! I really like mesh networking protocols work on Neos. Maybe I'll try to run Netsukuku. OK first I have to buy one. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 6:31 am 2008
Robert Schuster	Re: Freifunk@FreeRunner: OLSRD This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF80830B78DD09C3C03B1618E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. We do not have netsukuku recipes in OE yet. But that could be fixed quickly if it is easy to build. Volunteering to provide a recipe? Then you can have the binary before your phone arrives. :) Regards Robert --------------enigF80830B78DD09C3C03B1618E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; n... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 8:54 am 2008
Andreas Micklei	Re: Slashdot post but no web store? Or to a portable headphone amplifier like this one: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/headsix-head-fi-support-sales-action-26... I have been using one of these with my iPod for over a year now and the improvement combined with good headphones is very noticeable. I don't even use high-end headphones, just the usual mid-range Sony DJ headphones (~50-80 EUR) Sure it's bulky and one more box to carry around, but the usual mobile devices with their low voltage batteries will probably never be... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 5:37 am 2008
xming	freerunner in Taiwan Hi all, I will be in Taiwan during July and I would like to pick up a freerunner there. Does anyone knows where to buy? Or can I go by the FIC/OM office and get from the source :) TIA xming _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 8:36 am 2008
Sean Moss-Pultz	Re: freerunner in Taiwan Should be possible. But I'm out of the country so I don't know the if we have any left. Ask Harry (harry@openmoko.com). -Sean _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 7:40 pm 2008
Hartung, Christopher	AW: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop Dito :-D -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] Im Auftrag von Marcel Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Juni 2008 12:32 An: List for Openmoko community discussion Betreff: Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop Yay! Just ordered mine. :] -marcel _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ____________... [ message continues ]	Jun 27, 6:41 am 2008
Christoph Pulster	Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop We start sales 07/05/2008 (5.July) and accept orders now. Price 299 eur incl. VAT. A cheap price means more owners. That's what the community needs. Christoph _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 5:04 am 2008
Bumbl	Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop Ordered mine too with bag and headphones _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 11:51 am 2008
Mike Baroukh	Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop Where do you saw a bag ? Is there any options ? I didn't see where ... I also ordered mine but without the debug board I did not found ... thanks. Mike _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community	Jun 27, 12:00 pm 2008

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