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| Jun 27, 4:07 pm 2008 |
| William Lai | Re: Let us impact the material world
iPod is an artifact for music lovers. Music is part of their lifestyle.
The Neo is part of the lifestyle of every engineer that I work with at
Openmoko. Coding is their life.
Just like I share music with my friends through an ipod, these people
proudly present their creations through a Neo. Whether that be a full
suited application or a blinking light, it really is a pleasure to see
things constantly 'being born'. I'm seeing people impact the material
world everyday, in their ...
| Jun 27, 12:26 pm 2008 |
| Arthur Britto | Re: Community Initiative GTK
Part of what you want need is distribution support. You might find it
amusing to see how crazy fast GPE on Gentoo, a meta Linux distribution,
can be ported to a phone:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/embedded/55281
(Make sure to check out the pictures).
-Arthur
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| Jun 27, 11:29 am 2008 |
| Lorn Potter | Re: Community Initiative GTK
That seems to be a different line of devices (in car navigation), and
does not have any gsm features.
http://www8.garmin.com/nuvifone/
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| Jun 27, 11:52 am 2008 |
| Lorn Potter | Re: Community Initiative GTK
Garmin's nuvifone is based on Qtopia.
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| Jun 27, 11:13 am 2008 |
| Marcus Bauer | Re: Community Initiative GTK
Not the upcoming ones:
http://butterfeet.org/?p=57
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| Jun 27, 11:32 am 2008 |
| Dave O'Connor | Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)
This has been done to death on the mailing list already. The archives
lists it. Can we move on now please?
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| Jun 27, 11:11 am 2008 |
| Ron K. Jeffries | rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)
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Can someone explain the rationale for the decision
to switch from the original GTK based OpenMoko
to QT based version known as April Software Update (ASU)?
As an observer, it's my impression that ASU
represents a significant architectural change
that somehow, Wham! Bang! "just happened."
Transparency is a virtue. <g>
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| Jun 27, 11:01 am 2008 |
| Kevin Dean | Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)
http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/openmoko-software-update
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| Jun 27, 11:12 am 2008 |
| Stroller | Re: rationale for ASU (and change from GTK to Qt)
Rasterman is the rationale, as far as I can make out.
Stroller.
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| Jun 27, 2:11 pm 2008 |
| Steven Le Roux | Re: Community Initiative GTK
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You will still be able to develop what you want with GTK if you want... but
EFL are soooooooooo much beautiful ! (Hmm okay im an e17 user :) can one
feel it ? ;))
EFL are optimized libs slower hardware, more powerful than gtk, wich is just
a gui toolkit. EFL are so much more...
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| Jun 27, 10:42 am 2008 |
| Lorn Potter | Re: Community Initiative GTK
14 Nokia phones are made each second.
Qt will be a common API across all Nokia platforms.
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| Jun 27, 11:14 am 2008 |
| Jisakiel | Re: Community Initiative GTK
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You forget the biggest: Nokia (sells as many phones a day as iphones yet so=
ld). Rest are just startups so far, or non-mobile-phone-related... And Noki=
a looks like interested in QTopia (as they bought Trolltech!) ;)
Firefox (xulrunner, as the GUI is not appropiate) can be replaced by khtml,=
or however it is called now that it's part of qt 4.4. Openoffice in a phon=
e does ...
| Jun 27, 10:17 am 2008 |
| Joachim Steiger | Re: Community Initiative GTK
would be nice.
e.g. take the last gtk-based ui apps, rip out all libgsmd and neod
dependencies and start communicating with the new middleware from FSO.
this would basically solve all 'call stability' problems from gsmd times
and give you the same, maintained middleware which in the future
hopefully all openmoko devices will use.
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| Jun 27, 9:53 am 2008 |
| Shawn Rutledge | Re: Community Initiative GTK
So just to be clear, FSO stands for FreeSmartphone.Org?
And that stuff is working so well that it can replace gsmd and neod already?
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| Jun 27, 11:14 am 2008 |
| Tilman Baumann | Re: Community Initiative GTK
My idea too.
I would like to see this...
For what it is worth, the original GTK platform is nod dead. Attention
just shifted away.
And stability is ok as far as i can tell.
Gsmd allegedly breaks standby. But works for me.
Will see. I find the look and the UI design in general really well choosen.
But it is not GTK what buys me. As long as GTK is there as a lib for
compatibility. (which is AFAIK also the case with the other builds based
on X11)
But i would not mind if the Toolkit of ...
| Jun 27, 11:27 am 2008 |
| jluis | Re: Community Initiative GTK
I will try to be there but I fell sort of resources and skills
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| Jun 27, 8:26 am 2008 |
| Francesco Cat | Re: Community Initiative GTK
I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain
what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be
present any more?
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| Jun 27, 8:27 am 2008 |
| Markus Schlichting | Re: Community Initiative GTK. X11 on ASU?
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| Jun 27, 10:48 am 2008 |
| Stroller | Re: Community Initiative GTK. X11 on ASU?
Am I right in understanding that the earlier software stack wrote GTK
to the framebuffer, whereas the ASU required the incorporation of an
X11 server to the image?
Stroller.
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| Jun 27, 10:02 am 2008 |
| Joe Pfeiffer | Re:Community Initiative GTK
I for one definitely prefer GTK: as a toolkit I know and like it (in
fairness I haven't developed for qt -- I have GTK and especially
GTKmm), but in general I find I prefer the "look" of GTK-based apps
better).
I also felt the direction the phone was moving up until the ASU was
looking very good and promising to me. It was much more along the
lines of a handheld computer with phone featuers, which is what I
want (the automatic sync with evolution was also very nice).
I just noticed the ...
| Jun 27, 8:16 am 2008 |
| cedric cellier | Re: Community Initiative GTK
IIRC GTK is still present and always will be. But there are no more
plans to varous a complete software set based on it. Apparently, this
is more or less considered a feature from the OM team that no GUI is
prefered over the other.
Which is why I wondered what happended to the previous plans to provide
a complete "mobility software set". But perhaps the aim of OpenMoko has
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| Jun 27, 8:52 am 2008 |
| Joseph Reeves | Re: Community Initiative GTK
I wondered the exact same thing. From the front page of the wiki:
"Openmoko™ born as an Open Source project under GPL and LGPL license
and dedicated to delivering an open software stack on mobile
platforms, shipped its first product, the Neo 1973, on July 9 2007;
and then, turned the project into a start-up company with one aim:
create great mobile products using the Openmoko stack: Open. Mobile.
Free."
So the plan from the early days was to release an Open Source software
stack, but this ...
| Jun 27, 9:04 am 2008 |
| Marcus Bauer | Re: Community Initiative GTK
Basically Openmoko has stopped the development of the GTK stack in order
to start a new stack called ASU. There are some 10.000 developers for
GTK who can start any time making software for the Neo while there are
very few developers for ASU, maybe 50. ASU is only used on the Neo
whereas your GTK apps will run on the desktop or on the new MID devices
like the ASUS eeePC right out of the box. Naturally for an open source
developer it is a difference if the software will run on some hundred
Neos ...
| Jun 27, 8:56 am 2008 |
| Mike Doody | Re: Community Initiative GTK
I'm confused what this ASU stack is that you are talking about? When
I look at the architecture picture on the framework page
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework I don't see ASU. I see
Gtk+ and Qtopia and Enlightenment (and X11).
So this ASU stack is only used on the Neo and nowhere else? If ASU is
Qtopia or EFL, then I'm not so sure that's true...
Regards,
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| Jun 27, 11:10 am 2008 |
| Tilman Baumann | Re: Community Initiative GTK
A Qtpia build based on X11. (Qtopia is usually framebuffer)
Fancy enlightenment launcher and applications menu.
Qtopia base apps.
And some individual new apps only seen on this platform. i think based
It's both.
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| Jun 27, 11:22 am 2008 |
| arne anka | Re: Community Initiative GTK
> Is anyone planning to try maemo on the freerunner ?
my question, too.
and what about ubuntu mobile? does anybody know whether the plan to test
it on om? at least it's the first open phone in the wild -- should be a
given development platform for them ...
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| Jun 27, 8:26 am 2008 |
| cedric cellier | Re: Community Initiative GTK
Im not sure I understand anything about OpenMoko software plans.
So I will reply your question with another, probably dumb one :
Is anyone planning to try maemo on the freerunner ?
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| Jun 27, 8:14 am 2008 |
| Jisakiel | Re: Community Initiative GTK
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IIRC ubuntu mobile was only x86 based, and addressed to bigger devices than=
a phone (such as the Mobile Internet Devices - closer to n810 or even to a=
sus EEE than to a phone).=20
What I'd really love is to see android software stack running on the moko. =
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he whole stack, which should make ...
| Jun 27, 10:20 am 2008 |
| arne anka | Re: Community Initiative GTK
not sure, if you confuse something:
gtk!=tk
gtk is a c based toolkit used by gnome and gimp, tk ist a gui toolkit on
i think you are far better of with a pc with about 1.5 ghz and a bigger
harddisk.
developing requires a lot of additional packages which take up a lot of
space -- and a fast cpu is a real blessing when compiling often. besides,
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| Jun 27, 8:30 am 2008 |
| Christ van Willegen | Re: Community Initiative GTK
That's an Intel Mac, not a G5 one...
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| Jun 27, 9:01 am 2008 |
| Christ van Willegen | Re: Community Initiative GTK
First of all, I'd be interrested in getting things to build on an iMac
G5. After that, we'll see where it goes. I'm not against tha idea,
although I'd have to learn to program TK (but learning a new plaform
seems to be my forte lately...)
If all else fails, I'll get an older PC off of eBay (or Marktplaats
for the dutch). A Linux capable 700MHz (ish) PC with a 16G harddrive
should suffice to install Ubuntu ad software stack, but getting it on
my hom Mac would be better.
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| Jun 27, 8:07 am 2008 |
| jluis | Re: Community Initiative GTK
I have my Santa Rosa iMac building package & images over an usb storage
using ubuntu & mokomakefile; You don't have any need to invest in other
hardware
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| Jun 27, 8:34 am 2008 |
| Christ van Willegen | Re: Community Initiative GTK
That was a typoe for GTK...
You have a point there, but having built all the packages, the Moko
files will probably only be a couple of thousands of lines...
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| Jun 27, 9:02 am 2008 |
| Flemming Richter Mik ... | Re: humor
I think the WiFi chip does not support AP mode.
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| Jun 27, 12:13 pm 2008 |
| Hans L | Re: humor
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Is it possible to use the WiFi in the FreeRunner as an access point?
-Hans
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| Jun 27, 8:47 am 2008 |
| Mikko Rauhala | No WLAN AP functionality
Sadly no, as it's a hardmac chip and the proprietary firmware lacks this
feature. You should be able to use ad hoc mode for most purposes, albeit
not always as conveniently.
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| Jun 27, 8:51 am 2008 |
| Rod Whitby | Re: No WLAN AP functionality
I'm finding it difficult to source a cheap usb wifi stick that Linux
supports in AP mode. Do you have an example of one that you know works
in this way, and has Linux drivers available for armel (which
immediately cuts out any madwifi drivers due to eabi) ?
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| Jun 27, 4:12 pm 2008 |
| Flemming Richter Mik ... | Re: humor
http://xkcd.org/440/ describes a use case for the neo:)
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| Jun 27, 12:49 am 2008 |
| Crane, Matthew | RE: No WLAN AP functionality
But if you can plug a usb wifi stick which the kernel does support AP
mode you could then use the internal wifi as the uplink.
Be subversive, provide free wifi at airports!
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| Atilla Filiz | Re: humor
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| Robert Schuster | Re: Freifunk@FreeRunner: OLSRD
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Hi.
We do not have netsukuku recipes in OE yet. But that could be fixed
quickly if it is easy to build.
Volunteering to provide a recipe? Then you can have the binary before
your phone arrives. :)
Regards
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| Jun 27, 5:54 am 2008 |
| Evgeny Ginzburg | Re: Freifunk@FreeRunner: OLSRD
Nice enough!
I really like mesh networking protocols work on Neos.
Maybe I'll try to run Netsukuku.
OK first I have to buy one.
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| Jun 27, 3:31 am 2008 |
| Andreas Micklei | Re: Slashdot post but no web store?
Or to a portable headphone amplifier like this one:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/headsix-head-fi-support-sales-action-261529/
I have been using one of these with my iPod for over a year now and the
improvement combined with good headphones is very noticeable. I don't even
use high-end headphones, just the usual mid-range Sony DJ headphones (~50-80
EUR)
Sure it's bulky and one more box to carry around, but the usual mobile devices
with their low voltage batteries will probably ...
| Jun 27, 2:37 am 2008 |
| Sean Moss-Pultz | Re: freerunner in Taiwan
Should be possible. But I'm out of the country so I don't know the if we
have any left.
Ask Harry (harry@openmoko.com).
-Sean
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| Jun 27, 4:40 pm 2008 |
| xming | freerunner in Taiwan
Hi all,
I will be in Taiwan during July and I would like to pick up a
freerunner there. Does
anyone knows where to buy? Or can I go by the FIC/OM office and get from the
source :)
TIA
xming
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| Jun 27, 5:36 am 2008 |
| Hartung, Christopher | AW: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
Dito :-D
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Yay! Just ordered mine. :]
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| Jun 27, 3:41 am 2008 |
| Bumbl | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
Ordered mine too
with bag and headphones
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| Jun 27, 8:51 am 2008 |
| Mike Baroukh | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
Where do you saw a bag ?
Is there any options ? I didn't see where ...
I also ordered mine but without the debug board I did not found ...
thanks.
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| Jun 27, 9:00 am 2008 |
| Christian | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
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| Jun 27, 10:31 am 2008 |
| kelvan | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
Ordered two :D
Thanks for the great price.
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| Jun 27, 5:53 am 2008 |
| Christoph Pulster | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
We start sales 07/05/2008 (5.July) and accept orders now.
Price 299 eur incl. VAT. A cheap price means more owners.
That's what the community needs.
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| Jun 27, 2:04 am 2008 |
| prishelec | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
The price is so good I can't beleive it!
Just hope you will have some in august when I'll go back to Poland and
will be able to buy it ;-)
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| Jun 27, 3:21 am 2008 |
| Michael Dreher | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
Today at 12:46 o´clock I ordered my Freerunner and a Headset ;-)
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| Jun 27, 4:05 am 2008 |
| Marcel | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
Yay! Just ordered mine. :]
-marcel
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| Jun 27, 3:32 am 2008 |
| Martin Šenkeřík | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
You have to order them separately when buying from pulster. They are
gift only when you order 10-pack from openmoko shop.
What price? Have you tried www.pulster.de? ;-)
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| Jun 27, 9:17 am 2008 |
| Adilson Oliveira | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
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| Jun 27, 10:05 am 2008 |
| Bumbl | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
Freerunner 299€
Headset 9€
Bag 19€
summa summarum 237€
Cheaper than trisoft (which doesn't ship the bag and the headset at all)
and golden delicious which offer it for 350€
If one does not need it noone is forced to buy it
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I wanted to order mine too, but it looks as if the 299 eur does not include
the bag and headset as forother shops (trisoft, handheld linux). And I
thought that were gifts from openmoko.
Do I really have to order them separately? And which price?
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| Jun 27, 10:26 am 2008 |
| Christian | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
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| Jun 27, 3:57 am 2008 |
| Mike Baroukh | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
Ok. Thanks a lot.
It's not the same page when you click on the home's picture or on the
left menu ...
Now I have to see if I can change my order ...
Mike
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| Jun 27, 2:04 pm 2008 |
| Marcus Bauer | Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
As discussed, the headset is mostly useless. Phone calls are impossible
and it is a low impedance one thus lacking any bass frequencies. Plus
the cable is quite stiff and while walking the earbuds will inevitably
fall out of your ears. You can find them on ebay for one or two dollars
new.
The pouch is quite nice but lacks a clip to wear it on a belt. Probably
you find a cheaper and better suitable one in a local shop. Naturally it
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| Jun 27, 9:27 am 2008 |
| arne anka | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
to be honest -- i never really could figure out what's the diff between 2d
and 3d acceleration.
so, what limitations does it impose?
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| Jun 27, 3:46 am 2008 |
| Pawel Kowalak | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
Acceleration is simply using GPU for graphics operations instead of
CPU. 3D accelerator accelerates 3D operations (rendering 3D objects)
and 2D accelerator accelerates 2D operations (bit blits, line
drawing, clipping etc.). On modern computers, 2D graphics are
simulated using 3D without perspective, because 2D accelerators were
almost dropped years ago by graphic cards vendors.
I hope I didn't simplified it too much. ...
| Jun 27, 4:04 am 2008 |
| Hans L | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
That would be pretty cool to use the FreeRunner as a "window" to a 360
scene like this. Hold the phone in front of you and spin around: the
accelerometers could detect movement, and adjust the view as you
rotate. Angle it up or down, and the view would again correspond.
Hans
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| Jun 27, 2:21 pm 2008 |
| Yuval Levy | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
Hans L wrote:
> Hehe, I just had another idea related to this. You could use this 360
> "window" behavior to make an interactive Where's Waldo
<http://www.photopla.net/070618assnat/> - select Flash from the help,
and click around =8^D
oh yes, pretty cool indeed.
It has already been done with Android and Google's StreetView - check
the video at
<http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/28/google-demos-the-htc-dream-at-i-o-conference/>
but given Marcus Bauer's comments about the glamo chip ...
| Jun 27, 2:38 pm 2008 |
| Yuval Levy | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
in a nutshell: 3D acceleration builds quickly 3D models on the display.
Displaying a 3D application on non-accelerated video is slow and CPU
(i.e. battery) intensive. 3D applications include games but not only.
my personal interest for the OpenMoko is as a device to display Virtual
Reality (VR). That's a 3D application where a picture is mapped on a
sphere or cube and rotated by the user. 3D-accelerated displays have a
much higher frame per second (FPS) resulting in smoother viewing or ...
| Jun 27, 2:00 pm 2008 |
| Marcus Bauer | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
the glamo chip is 3D but there is no driver on openmoko for using it.
due to the way it is connected to the cpu the glamo chip slows the
freerunner *down*. despite the faster cpu the freeruner is ~50% slower
than the 1973. the cpu is blocked during any kind of graphics i/o and
there have been discussions to simply remove it in order to speed the
freerunner up.
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| Jun 27, 2:16 pm 2008 |
| Hans L | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
Hehe, I just had another idea related to this. You could use this 360
"window" behavior to make an interactive Where's Waldo(or similar non
copyright-infringing name ;-) ) type game. It would be pretty funny
to see someone play it, rotating and tilting all over the place to
find him. Also, moving the phone towards or away from your body could
be used for zoom.
Hans
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| Jun 27, 2:27 pm 2008 |
| W. B. Kranendonk | Re: Slashdot post but no web store?
I think so too, but thanks for the in depth and clear reply!
Boudewijn
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| Jun 27, 2:12 am 2008 |
| prishelec | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
No matter how good gta03 is going to be i'm buying 02 :-)
Even christmas is to long to wait.
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| Jun 27, 3:48 am 2008 |
| Joerg Reisenweber | Re: bands
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| Joerg Reisenweber | Re: bands
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Well, there's probably no single provider using more than 1 (maybe 2) band.
The allowed bands depend on national regulations, usually 900/1800 or=20
850/1900.=20
So switching provider is what 3-band is made for.=20
If you try to find a reality example for your scenario, it probably will=20
include a move out of your country. That's why the ...
| Jun 26, 7:43 pm 2008 |
| W.Kenworthy | Re: bands
:(
Thanks,
Billk
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| Jun 26, 6:06 pm 2008 |
| W.Kenworthy | bands
How is the freerunner switched between the two frequency band triplets?
Software, new image, link, factory only, ...
Asking because what happens if you move carriers and they support "the
other" combination?
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| Jun 26, 5:57 pm 2008 |
| Michael Shiloh | Re: FreeRunner Quick Start User Guide
Hey! This is great. Thanks.
I'll check this out.
Note that the quickstart guide is due for a serious update.
Michael
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| Jun 26, 11:13 pm 2008 |
| Brenda Wang | Re: FreeRunner Quick Start User Guide
Hi guys :
I would like to remind everyone,
This page is Official One.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner
Brenda
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| Jun 27, 2:33 am 2008 |
| Joseph Reeves | Re: Heller versus DC
Whatever next? ReiserFS?
(Apologies for succumbing to this OT fest)
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| Jun 27, 7:23 am 2008 |
| Jonathon Suggs | Re: Heller versus DC
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Which would give new meaning to the term "killer feature" and I would be
first in line to buy one (after I passed the screening process).
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| Jun 27, 7:19 am 2008 |
| Flemming Richter Mik ... | Re: Let us impact the material world
On 2008-06-27, Sean Moss-Pultz <sean@openmoko.com> wrote:
[snap]
You really know how to express yourself:)
I cannot see how other phone companies can be compared.
What I like so much about Openmoko, is that I am a part of it - that
it is (also) my project.
Openmoko will have success because they work very much for it.
The community will help making the software and come up with
ideas (by nagging or "spamming the mailing list" :) and you will
take the best ideas and make them real.
Keep ...
| Jun 27, 2:53 pm 2008 |
| Nelson Castillo | Re: Let us impact the material world
Sean,
I'm _really_ glad you enjoyed our Colombian Coffee, our food, and I
hope you can keep in touch with the spirits that live in our
landscapes. I'm sure that those spirits are friends of the "spirit
that lives in the computer" [1].
[1] (I really like what Alan Perlis said)
I think encrypted messages are crucial for freedom. I also think most
people don't know how easy it is for others to see what they send
through the networks. I cannot wait to see those Encrypted messages
traveling ...
| Jun 27, 3:40 pm 2008 |
| Sean Moss-Pultz | [openmoko-announce] Let us impact the material world
Dear Community
I am in Columbia. Drinking local coffee (yes Paola your coffee is the
best in the world) and thinking with the early morning clarity only
those blessed with jag-lag can understand.
Yesterday was an amazing day. After a morning walk around the government
buildings and many beautiful museums of Bogota, we went up into the
mountainous region of Monserrate. To get to the top of this cityscape
icon and pilgrimage destination you have three choices: A gravity
defying train, a ...
| Jun 26, 9:56 pm 2008 |
| Paul Wouters | Re: Let us impact the material world
That means:
- Phase out SMS in favour of IM (SMS char limit makes crypto hard, cheaper too)
- Use OTR with IM (http://otr.cypherpunks.ca)
I am not sure at the current state of IM clients, but there are
python bindings for OTR at http://pyotr.pentabarf.de/
I will go at it as soon as I can order my Freerunner in Canada
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| Jun 27, 4:13 pm 2008 |
| kenneth marken | Re: Let us impact the material world
i suspect that until one stick a computer on every lamp post in the world,
with a text to speech program that spills out every clear text message sendt
so that it can pick it up, people wont take notice.
they understand putting letters in envelopes, because thats something they can
see. but until you show them a packet sniffer, and explain that this can be
used on any part of that messages journey, they will not understand it for
electronic media.
hell, i wish that mail apps would come ...
| Jun 27, 4:02 pm 2008 |
| Richard Reichenbacher | RE: Let us impact the material world
How do you not purchase a product from a man this eloquent? Wish I had
$400.
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Dear Community
I am in Columbia. Drinking local coffee (yes Paola your coffee is the
best in the world) and thinking ...
| Jun 27, 12:24 am 2008 |
| Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller | Re: Slashdot post but no web store?
Hi all,
as far as I understood the Openmoko web shop will open on 4th of July.
And, Openmoko, Inc. has shipped the Freerunners we have bought on 25th
of June and they
are currently in airfreight and customs transit. As soon as they
arrive, we will add CE, Green
Dot, User manual etc. and what else we have to comply to when we sell
within the European
Union. This may need one or two more days.
If you want to be amongst the first who receive them, we are already
taking ...
| Jun 27, 12:32 am 2008 |
| arne anka | Re: Slashdot post but no web store?
well, i preordered through group sale->trisoft.
at least i hope so -- i sent the money to the guy organizing the group
sale a while ago, he seemed perferctly legit, being ceo or so of a local
company ... ;-)
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| Jun 27, 2:17 am 2008 |
| Marcus Bauer | Re: Slashdot post but no web store?
This question has been asked before on the list: can you provide any
pointers to such headsets? They don't seem to exist. And at least Nokia
headsets with 2.5mm plug use a different wiring and don't work on the
Neo.
Can you please tell us which headphones are high impedance and have the
Under good conditions all modern GPS chips have a cold start TTFF
("virgin fix") of ~45secs. 12min is the value for 8 to 10 year old
What could be the problem then? Usually you power the GPS up and ...
| Jun 27, 1:16 am 2008 |
| arne anka | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
>> - new case (might include a holder for a plastic stylus)
you don't know my keychain ;-)
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| Jun 27, 5:24 am 2008 |
| Flemming Richter Mik ... | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
Actually, video will go better without the glamo because the bus
will be faster. Anyway, 2D works well with the glamo and the
chip is not that bad.
Some pros. with having the glamo:
- HW scaling and 2D rotation (this is cool)
- 2D acceleration (this is also cool)
Some cons.:
- Power (80mW?)
- Bus limit
- Not open (e.g. no 3D, etc)
So if you do not want to view a lot of videos, the
glamo is a good thing (fast zooming of web ...
| Jun 27, 3:39 am 2008 |
| Marcus Bauer | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
Lucas is one of the heads behind bearstech, one of the European
distributors. I guess he fully supports your statement ;-)
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| Jun 27, 5:18 am 2008 |
| Mikko Rauhala | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
If I may interject, I would presume Sean here is talking about buying
what's available now (instead of next year, even with the GTA03 not
being a major improvement anyway in most respects), and, you know,
running with it.
I'll be having my summer vacation starting today, and when I get my FRs
from Pulster, that'll hopefully revitalize my motivation to code a bit
on that mldiff/rsync proxy and a realtime net-shared shopping list thing
I've been thinking about.
--
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| Jun 27, 5:09 am 2008 |
| Sean Moss-Pultz | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
Exactly. We need to sell phones to stay in business and continue these
ideas.
So think of your USD $399 as a donation, if you like, towards your GTA03 ;-)
-Sean
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| Jun 27, 4:46 pm 2008 |
| Lucas Bonnet | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
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| Jun 27, 4:56 am 2008 |
| Francesco Cat | Fast questions about GTA03
As I have understood from past ML, the GTA03 will be the enhanced vers
of FreeRunner. I think a lot of undecided people like me would like
clarification about what the GTA03 might be.
Very fast and simple questions:
-do we have a rough estimation for when the GTA03 will be out?
-the issue with slow bus for Glamo is gonna be resolved by changing
the bus or eliminating the Glamo?
-will usb still be 1.1?
-will the price be different? If it is gonna change, some kind of
estimation would be ...
| Jun 27, 12:49 am 2008 |
| Brian C | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
Well, from the looks of the screenshots, Freerunners will ship without a
GUI email program or web browser. (Is that right?) If so, I'd think
that everyone who can contribute to a software update that includes
those apps should. They seem fairly critical to me for any smartphone.
I would also rate getting the Glamo further figured out so that it will
do video playback as well as it's able is important.
Note: many people on this list don't care at all about video. I
understand that. ...
| Jun 27, 5:40 am 2008 |
| Sean Moss-Pultz | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
Francesco
I encourage you to get involved today. We need your help. Waiting for
GTA03 is a possibility of course, but keep in mind how long it took us
to go from 01 to 02.
Amateurs, remember? ;-)
-Sean
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| Jun 27, 3:23 am 2008 |
| Adilson Oliveira | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
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Something not resembling a giant keychain holder would be great ;)
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| Jun 27, 5:17 am 2008 |
| Francesco Cat | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
Lol, xmas is too far away :D I'm gonna buy this one I think...
Hopefully the Glamo will allow for media to stream regularly, they
would have removed there was no way to have a 25 FPS video I think.
Plus, we have plenty of hackers ready to work ;)
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| Jun 27, 1:32 am 2008 |
| Flemming Richter Mik ... | Re: Fast questions about GTA03
There will be minimal changes:
- new battery
- new GSM module which supports EDGE
- mini jack instead of micro jack
- no glamo -> much better for video playback, etc.
- new case (might include a holder for a plastic stylus)
- the rest of the phone will stay unchanged in order to
save costs.
All this information has at some point been written on
the mailing list. It is important to say that THINGS
CHANGE FAST. So there is no garatee that this is
correct. It was only ideas, but I ...
| Jun 27, 12:59 am 2008 |
| Joerg Reisenweber | Re: Slashdot post but no web store?
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Quality rating is prone to individual bias.
Well, for nerds there will be projects similar to this one
http://www.redwineaudio.com/iMod.html
or this one
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f6/apple-diymod-my-take-famous-imod-56k-kille=
r-featuring-3g-4g-5g-nano-1g-269604/
I will come up with a DIY primer on how to cope with these way to lousy ...
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