------=_Part_7509_650770.1214608065616 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.retrevo.com/content/special-reports/2008/06/7-reasons-why-new-iphone-3g-sucks Lets see where we beet it! ;) ------=_Part_7509_650770.1214608065616 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline <a ...

Part of what you want need is distribution support. You might find it amusing to see how crazy fast GPE on Gentoo, a meta Linux distribution, can be ported to a phone: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/embedded/55281 (Make sure to check out the pictures). -Arthur _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Garmin's nuvifone is based on Qtopia. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

This has been done to death on the mailing list already. The archives lists it. Can we move on now please? _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/openmoko-software-update _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

------=_Part_10193_18454537.1214588542984 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You will still be able to develop what you want with GTK if you want... but EFL are soooooooooo much beautiful ! (Hmm okay im an e17 user :) can one feel it ? ;)) EFL are optimized libs slower hardware, more powerful than gtk, wich is just a gui toolkit. EFL are so much more... -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : Steven@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ...

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So just to be clear, FSO stands for FreeSmartphone.Org? And that stuff is working so well that it can replace gsmd and neod already? _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

I will try to be there but I fell sort of resources and skills _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

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I for one definitely prefer GTK: as a toolkit I know and like it (in fairness I haven't developed for qt -- I have GTK and especially GTKmm), but in general I find I prefer the "look" of GTK-based apps better). I also felt the direction the phone was moving up until the ASU was looking very good and promising to me. It was much more along the lines of a handheld computer with phone featuers, which is what I want (the automatic sync with evolution was also very nice). I just noticed the ...

I wondered the exact same thing. From the front page of the wiki: "Openmoko™ born as an Open Source project under GPL and LGPL license and dedicated to delivering an open software stack on mobile platforms, shipped its first product, the Neo 1973, on July 9 2007; and then, turned the project into a start-up company with one aim: create great mobile products using the Openmoko stack: Open. Mobile. Free." So the plan from the early days was to release an Open Source software stack, but this ...

I'm confused what this ASU stack is that you are talking about? When I look at the architecture picture on the framework page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework I don't see ASU. I see Gtk+ and Qtopia and Enlightenment (and X11). So this ASU stack is only used on the Neo and nowhere else? If ASU is Qtopia or EFL, then I'm not so sure that's true... Regards, -mike _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing ...

> Is anyone planning to try maemo on the freerunner ? my question, too. and what about ubuntu mobile? does anybody know whether the plan to test it on om? at least it's the first open phone in the wild -- should be a given development platform for them ... _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

--0-1935050527-1214587253=:88354 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IIRC ubuntu mobile was only x86 based, and addressed to bigger devices than= a phone (such as the Mobile Internet Devices - closer to n810 or even to a= sus EEE than to a phone).=20 What I'd really love is to see android software stack running on the moko. = Still not possible as android is not open, but they were supposed to free t= he whole stack, which should make ...

That's an Intel Mac, not a G5 one... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

I have my Santa Rosa iMac building package & images over an usb storage using ubuntu & mokomakefile; You don't have any need to invest in other hardware _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

I think the WiFi chip does not support AP mode. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Sadly no, as it's a hardmac chip and the proprietary firmware lacks this feature. You should be able to use ad hoc mode for most purposes, albeit not always as conveniently. -- Mikko Rauhala <mjrauhal@cc.helsinki.fi> University of Helsinki _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

http://xkcd.org/440/ describes a use case for the neo:) _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

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Nice enough! I really like mesh networking protocols work on Neos. Maybe I'll try to run Netsukuku. OK first I have to buy one. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Should be possible. But I'm out of the country so I don't know the if we have any left. Ask Harry (harry@openmoko.com). -Sean _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Dito :-D -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] Im Auftrag von Marcel Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Juni 2008 12:32 An: List for Openmoko community discussion Betreff: Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop Yay! Just ordered mine. :] -marcel _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing ...

Where do you saw a bag ? Is there any options ? I didn't see where ... I also ordered mine but without the debug board I did not found ... thanks. Mike _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Ordered two :D Thanks for the great price. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

The price is so good I can't beleive it! Just hope you will have some in august when I'll go back to Poland and will be able to buy it ;-) _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Yay! Just ordered mine. :] -marcel _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

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As discussed, the headset is mostly useless. Phone calls are impossible and it is a low impedance one thus lacking any bass frequencies. Plus the cable is quite stiff and while walking the earbuds will inevitably fall out of your ears. You can find them on ebay for one or two dollars new. The pouch is quite nice but lacks a clip to wear it on a belt. Probably you find a cheaper and better suitable one in a local shop. Naturally it _______________________________________________ Openmoko community ...

Acceleration is simply using GPU for graphics operations instead of CPU. 3D accelerator accelerates 3D operations (rendering 3D objects) and 2D accelerator accelerates 2D operations (bit blits, line drawing, clipping etc.). On modern computers, 2D graphics are simulated using 3D without perspective, because 2D accelerators were almost dropped years ago by graphic cards vendors. I hope I didn't simplified it too much. ...

Hans L wrote: > Hehe, I just had another idea related to this. You could use this 360 > "window" behavior to make an interactive Where's Waldo <http://www.photopla.net/070618assnat/> - select Flash from the help, and click around =8^D oh yes, pretty cool indeed. It has already been done with Android and Google's StreetView - check the video at <http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/28/google-demos-the-htc-dream-at-i-o-conference/> but given Marcus Bauer's comments about the glamo chip ...

the glamo chip is 3D but there is no driver on openmoko for using it. due to the way it is connected to the cpu the glamo chip slows the freerunner *down*. despite the faster cpu the freeruner is ~50% slower than the 1973. the cpu is blocked during any kind of graphics i/o and there have been discussions to simply remove it in order to speed the freerunner up. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing ...

I think so too, but thanks for the in depth and clear reply! Boudewijn _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

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:( Thanks, Billk _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Hey! This is great. Thanks. I'll check this out. Note that the quickstart guide is due for a serious update. Michael _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Whatever next? ReiserFS? (Apologies for succumbing to this OT fest) _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

On 2008-06-27, Sean Moss-Pultz <sean@openmoko.com> wrote: [snap] You really know how to express yourself:) I cannot see how other phone companies can be compared. What I like so much about Openmoko, is that I am a part of it - that it is (also) my project. Openmoko will have success because they work very much for it. The community will help making the software and come up with ideas (by nagging or "spamming the mailing list" :) and you will take the best ideas and make them real. Keep ...

Dear Community I am in Columbia. Drinking local coffee (yes Paola your coffee is the best in the world) and thinking with the early morning clarity only those blessed with jag-lag can understand. Yesterday was an amazing day. After a morning walk around the government buildings and many beautiful museums of Bogota, we went up into the mountainous region of Monserrate. To get to the top of this cityscape icon and pilgrimage destination you have three choices: A gravity defying train, a ...

i suspect that until one stick a computer on every lamp post in the world, with a text to speech program that spills out every clear text message sendt so that it can pick it up, people wont take notice. they understand putting letters in envelopes, because thats something they can see. but until you show them a packet sniffer, and explain that this can be used on any part of that messages journey, they will not understand it for electronic media. hell, i wish that mail apps would come ...

Hi all, as far as I understood the Openmoko web shop will open on 4th of July. And, Openmoko, Inc. has shipped the Freerunners we have bought on 25th of June and they are currently in airfreight and customs transit. As soon as they arrive, we will add CE, Green Dot, User manual etc. and what else we have to comply to when we sell within the European Union. This may need one or two more days. If you want to be amongst the first who receive them, we are already taking ...

This question has been asked before on the list: can you provide any pointers to such headsets? They don't seem to exist. And at least Nokia headsets with 2.5mm plug use a different wiring and don't work on the Neo. Can you please tell us which headphones are high impedance and have the Under good conditions all modern GPS chips have a cold start TTFF ("virgin fix") of ~45secs. 12min is the value for 8 to 10 year old What could be the problem then? Usually you power the GPS up and ...

Actually, video will go better without the glamo because the bus will be faster. Anyway, 2D works well with the glamo and the chip is not that bad. Some pros. with having the glamo: - HW scaling and 2D rotation (this is cool) - 2D acceleration (this is also cool) Some cons.: - Power (80mW?) - Bus limit - Not open (e.g. no 3D, etc) So if you do not want to view a lot of videos, the glamo is a good thing (fast zooming of web ...

If I may interject, I would presume Sean here is talking about buying what's available now (instead of next year, even with the GTA03 not being a major improvement anyway in most respects), and, you know, running with it. I'll be having my summer vacation starting today, and when I get my FRs from Pulster, that'll hopefully revitalize my motivation to code a bit on that mldiff/rsync proxy and a realtime net-shared shopping list thing I've been thinking about. -- Mikko Rauhala ...

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Well, from the looks of the screenshots, Freerunners will ship without a GUI email program or web browser. (Is that right?) If so, I'd think that everyone who can contribute to a software update that includes those apps should. They seem fairly critical to me for any smartphone. I would also rate getting the Glamo further figured out so that it will do video playback as well as it's able is important. Note: many people on this list don't care at all about video. I understand that. ...

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There will be minimal changes: - new battery - new GSM module which supports EDGE - mini jack instead of micro jack - no glamo -> much better for video playback, etc. - new case (might include a holder for a plastic stylus) - the rest of the phone will stay unchanged in order to save costs. All this information has at some point been written on the mailing list. It is important to say that THINGS CHANGE FAST. So there is no garatee that this is correct. It was only ideas, but I ...