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From: Joe Pfeiffer
Subject: Re:Community Initiative GTK
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008 - 8:16 am

I for one definitely prefer GTK:  as a toolkit I know and like it (in
fairness I haven't developed for qt -- I have GTK and especially
GTKmm), but in general I find I prefer the "look" of GTK-based apps
better).

I also felt the direction the phone was moving up until the ASU was
looking very good and promising to me.  It was much more along the
lines of a handheld computer with phone featuers, which is what I
want (the automatic sync with evolution was also very nice).

I just noticed the other day that the scaredycat images are still
based on the GTK stack -- I hope to be trying that out in the next
couple of days.

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From: Francesco Cat
Subject: Re: Community Initiative GTK
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008 - 8:27 am

I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain
what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be
present any more?


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From: cedric cellier
Subject: Re: Community Initiative GTK
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008 - 8:52 am

IIRC GTK is still present and always will be. But there are no more
plans to varous a complete software set based on it. Apparently, this
is more or less considered a feature from the OM team that no GUI is
prefered over the other.

Which is why I wondered what happended to the previous plans to provide
a complete "mobility software set". But perhaps the aim of OpenMoko has



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From: Joseph Reeves
Subject: Re: Community Initiative GTK
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008 - 9:04 am

I wondered the exact same thing. From the front page of the wiki:

"Openmoko™ born as an Open Source project under  GPL and LGPL license
and dedicated to delivering an open software stack on mobile
platforms, shipped its first product, the Neo 1973, on July 9 2007;
and then, turned the project into a start-up company with one aim:
create great mobile products using the Openmoko stack: Open. Mobile.
Free."

So the plan from the early days was to release an Open Source software
stack, but this stack had to be radically altered at the 11th hour to
get the hardware out of the door? Erm...




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From: steve
Subject: RE: Community Initiative GTK
Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008 - 6:07 pm

Yes, with FSO we move to a UI toolkit agnostic standpoint. Where Guiologists
are free.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework



 

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IIRC GTK is still present and always will be. But there are no more plans to
varous a complete software set based on it. Apparently, this is more or less
considered a feature from the OM team that no GUI is prefered over the
other.

Which is why I wondered what happended to the previous plans to provide a
complete "mobility software set". But perhaps the aim of OpenMoko has always



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From: Marcus Bauer
Subject: Re: Community Initiative GTK
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008 - 8:56 am

Basically Openmoko has stopped the development of the GTK stack in order
to start a new stack called ASU. There are some 10.000 developers for
GTK who can start any time making software for the Neo while there are
very few developers for ASU, maybe 50. ASU is only used on the Neo
whereas your GTK apps will run on the desktop or on the new MID devices
like the ASUS eeePC right out of the box. Naturally for an open source
developer it is a difference if the software will run on some hundred
Neos or on some million PCs and MIDs.

The GTK stack simply needs maintainance and bugfixing to remain a
perfect platform for future developments.

A really nice thing about the current GTK stack is the abilily to work
in portrait and landscape mode just the same. It is just a lot of fun to
automatically turn your screen while turning the phone in your hands.


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From: Stroller
Subject: Re: Community Initiative GTK. X11 on ASU?
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008 - 10:02 am

Am I right in understanding that the earlier software stack wrote GTK  
to the framebuffer, whereas the ASU required the incorporation of an  
X11 server to the image?

Stroller.


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From: Markus Schlichting
Subject: Re: Community Initiative GTK. X11 on ASU?
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008 - 10:48 am

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From: Mike Doody
Subject: Re: Community Initiative GTK
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008 - 11:10 am

I'm confused what this ASU stack is that you are talking about?  When
I look at the architecture picture on the framework page
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework I don't see ASU. I see
Gtk+ and Qtopia and Enlightenment  (and X11).

So this ASU stack is only used on the Neo and nowhere else? If ASU is
Qtopia or EFL, then I'm not so sure that's true...

Regards,
-mike

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From: Tilman Baumann
Subject: Re: Community Initiative GTK
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008 - 11:22 am

A Qtpia build based on X11. (Qtopia is usually framebuffer)
Fancy enlightenment launcher and applications menu.
Qtopia base apps.
And some individual new apps only seen on this platform. i think based 


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