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From: nickd
Subject: Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 6:46 am

And #2. They love hearing your continuous interest in the constant 
requests for status updates.

"Are we there yet?" "No." "Are we there yet?" "No." "Are we there yet?" 
"No."



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From: Michael Kremliovsky
Subject: do not need _any_ interface features
Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008 - 6:09 pm

If I do not want to have any UI and I do not need voice, can I
reliably send data with a reasonable speed? If so, what are the
benchmark speeds?
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From: Dirk Deimeke
Subject: Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 7:05 am

if you make an announcement for a particular date, you have to live with
people asking, when the date passed by.

If you say production starts at 19th, don't wonder about people asking on
21th ...

Dirk


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From: Brandon Kruse
Subject: Re: do not need _any_ interface features
Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008 - 10:12 pm

I dont think its a hardware problem. If your talking about Internet  
over gsm, you could put the fastest computer with no GUI on a GPRS  
signal, and its still GPRS.

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On Jun 1, 2008, at 8:09 PM, "Michael Kremliovsky" <mkremlin@gmail.com>  

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From: Crane, Matthew
Subject: RE: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:45 am

I think I saw some "probally"s and some "should"s but I don't remember
any announcements.   

Was there an official announcment?


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if you make an announcement for a particular date, you have to live with
people asking, when the date passed by.

If you say production starts at 19th, don't wonder about people asking
on
21th ...

Dirk


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From: Dirk Deimeke
Subject: Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 11:12 am

Everything, a member of the company writes, is official  ...

Sorry, but we are all waiting for several months now. Several
"potential production dates" passed by.

It would be very helpful, if we get to know what hinders production.

Sometimes it looks like stonewalling. I know, that this is not intended
by anyone.

Dirk

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From: Michele Renda
Subject: Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 11:36 am

I don't want to start a flame, so I will try to troll less as possible.
They give different dates, but they always told us that are only 
indicative. If they will found a stopping problem in what they 
produce,they will stop production, because they don't want to sell a 
buggy phone.
Dirk, I know that is frustrating to wait. Especially for something that 
you follow in every day, for a project that you believe in.
I can ensure that the developer at Openmoko are trying to do all is 
possible to get it out better is possible.
This is first time I see a firm that is trying to be an open firm. Is 
not easy neither for them. I worked in different firms and I know how is 
important closeness for them.
Openmoko but to learn to be open. It will take time, but is doing a lot.

Try to support these boys that are trying to do this world a bit better! :)

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From: Dirk Deimeke
Subject: Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 8:34 pm

Hi Michele,

I agree with what you wrote.

But in the end it is about earning money. It is not good to lose
potential customers with announcements of probabilities.


This is main point I think.

All the best

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From: Michele Renda
Subject: Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:56 pm

Hi Dirk,
If the Freerunner is only about earning money, I think I will buy 
another phone, not FR that is neither Umts.

Openmoko is not doing charity, but he want to follow some principles. In 
these principles there is also the choose to show us a part of internal 
process.
If he was interested only to earn money I think that they will do the 
NDA for graphical chip, they will give no news untill the phone was 
ready so there was "no customer loss", they will not show us any bug 
that they found in the hardware ... in a few of words they will be as 
Nokia or Motorola.

They decided to be different: I think we must not to complain than if 
they are different from Nokia and Motorola!

All the best also to you :)




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From: Dirk Deimeke
Subject: Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 12:56 am

Hi Michele,

yes, it is not only about money.

But it is not only about free software.

I am still waiting for the phone because I really like the philosophy
"attached" to the phone.

But I fear that this could be a "one-shot" if there is no financial
success.

Please keep in mind, that the greatest financial successes in history of
business were seldom the technical best solutions (for example video
formats, Video2000 and Betamax were both better as VHS from a technical
point of view).

Dirk


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From: Michele Renda
Subject: Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 2:14 am

What to say, I hope it will be a success,  because I'd like to buy a 
GTAn with n->inf. :)



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From: Dirk Deimeke
Subject: Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 3:57 am

same for me ...

Cheers

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From: Michele Renda
Subject: Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 7:39 am

They love listening you writing so...
The #4 was to receive email writing thank you!



For the rest I am in accord to don't press them to ask always when it 
will come out...

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Subject: Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:48 am

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Subject: Re: do not need _any_ interface features
Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008 - 11:16 pm

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Hi.
You mean sendig data via GPRS? Throwing away GUI and other CPU consuming 
services won't help in this case as neo is 2G phone with GPRS data 
channel. All limits are caused by GPRS technology limitations. According 
to WIKI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPRS you can have maximum 
throughput 60 kbps download and 40 kbps upload. It depends on your SIM 
rating plan.

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Hi.<br>
Michael Kremliovsky pisze:
<blockquote
 cite="mid:f5b0b2860806011809k662584f3yf77601866345aeeb@mail.gmail.com"
 type="cite">
  <pre wrap="">  If I do not want to have any UI and I do not need voice, can I
reliably send data with a reasonable speed? If so, what are the
benchmark speeds?</pre>
</blockquote>
You mean sendig data via GPRS? Throwing away GUI and other CPU
consuming services won't help in this case as neo is 2G phone with GPRS
data channel. All limits are caused by GPRS technology limitations.
According to WIKI <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPRS">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPRS</a> you can have
maximum throughput 60 kbps download and 40 kbps upload. It ...
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