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Hello, openmoko community. I have a question regarding future products of Openmoko. Wiki says http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA that GTA03 is actually HXD8, a car navigation system. This claim is based on a post by Michael Lauer, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/017061.html. But IMHO that inference is not obvious: For me the actual question of GTA03 vs. GTA04 remains unanswered. Also, Michael Lauer recently posted http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/003020.html This makes the issue completely unclear, esp. GTA03 part. AFAIK (my opinion stems from the discussion which took place in May on the hardware list) GTA04 is a brand new device based on a more advanced SoC. But it's very hard to find any info on 03. Could anybody unveil the GTA03 mystery? What are the hardware specs, will the shared-slow-videoRAM-bus issue be fixed (for me it's the main reason to wait for the next device)? Any comments from openmoko employees are especially welcome ! (: PS don't kick me too hard, it's my first post to this list (; _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I'm not sure about my NDA, but this topic has been around quite some while=
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now. So mickeyl says "it's about evolution, not revolution". GTA03 -the=20
recycled name- (which I'm working on the electric schematics of the device=
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right now) is an improved version of GTA02 (if plans don't change ;), fixin=
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(augmented with some of my weird ideas like stereo line-in, if it pans out)=
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and it's our first goal to make a (even more) stable device based on what w=
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done so far.=20
GTA04 OTOH is about breaking new shores trying to bring exiting new power t=
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the Neo line.
{{to the best of my knowledge this info is not exceeding a summary of what'=
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been already published by others in IRC and mailing lists so far. Maybe Sea=
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Nobody should wait for GTA03 if you decided you like have an 02 (for some o=
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the GTA01 owners YMMV).=20
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status this year.
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Your hardware development guy
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Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 ...Even if this info has already been published somewhere, it wasn't too easy to find (esp. all in one piece). Well, i generally agree, but those nasty h/w bugs are really disappointing. I just can't It's really great to have such a person here on this list (: _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Since you're the guy working the electric schematics of the device, can I ask you to consider an FM radio receiver in future iterations, please? GTA04 or 05 or whatever. I believe, from a previous post to the list, that this is a particularly popular mobile-phone feature in India, but my Sony-Ericsson P990i also has this, and I was using it today - it's really much underrated. Stroller. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Its all about 3g for me. HSDPA would be brilliant. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
--nextPart1255841.TgRH9vjDnE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm just working on improving the schematics (like quite some other guys of= OM=20 staff), but we at EE are not deciding on key features of future products, w= e=20 are provided with specs on what to design. Anyway your suggestions and requests will be noticed when posted in this li= st. cheers jOERG --nextPart1255841.TgRH9vjDnE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIRVIY7Xtwhpk1UgwRAn2vAJ4sWes1HYCi5viqm4vsT+HXV928bACeJbDW sEOFC6eUVkMQnB7wqIGP+Oo= =3yLX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1255841.TgRH9vjDnE--
Yeah, but you're the guys who can just slip the odd extra chip into the design without anyone else noticing. ;) If questioned just tell management that Classic FM is required to soothe the kernel penguins. Stroller. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
well.. it adds power, space and cost and complexity to the whole thing. and quite ugly rf validation and eventually even certification requirements depending on where you plan to sell it i guess ;) it was already discussed in detail last year i think. to sum it up: OM does know that _some_ people want a fm radio. same as for electronic (magnetic) compass, a rfid transceiver/nfc stuff, embedded micro-beamers, fm transmitters, dvb-t/h receivers, dab/drm receivers etc. or a camera. others again do not want some parts with a reason (price, size, usage constraints (some companies forbid entering with a cameraphone) we just need to make the best out of it for all involved parties: * om needs to build and sell hardware * the community wants to get a device which is not vaporvare and not in development forever. so we need to find a nice compromise and be careful what to add, in which configuration and for which product to please us all (the community when it comes to features and availability as well as price and size) and om in the cause to survive by building real free and open designs. not easy all the time, but i think it helps us all, if everybody knows that its 'not that easy' to add some part just like that, but hard work. to find components we can and want use, which are available and please om as well as the community due to price, availability, features and size AND open documentations or drivers is sometimes very time consuming. as for fm.. its kinda borderline for me, (personally, not that my opinion counts more than yours) since i never listen to fm radio anymore. its more important to have the 3.5 mm jack for reasonable headphones, and a solid and good quality audio electronics in front of that, for me. lets all thank joerg, that he has already taken care of that ;) kudos. regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing ...
Hello, the radio receiver is maybe the most used feature on my nokia after GSM and the alarm clock. I use this definitive more often then bluetooth or WLAN and even more often then the mp3 player functionality. So i would appreciate this to. Tobias _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
and HDMI or DisplayPort not buying a 'phone' here until it can replace my desktop/notebook, this is the only thing missing (Nvidia's platform has it) _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I too am interested in this HXD8 vs. GTA0x thing. Also, is the HXD8 open hardware too or closed to Dash only? Can I run Openmoko on it if I buy one? -----Original Message----- From: community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Sergey Volkov Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 5:44 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Question about future devices (GTA03,04) Hello, openmoko community. I have a question regarding future products of Openmoko. Wiki says http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA that GTA03 is actually HXD8, a car navigation system. This claim is based on a post by Michael Lauer, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/017061.html. But IMHO that inference is not obvious: For me the actual question of GTA03 vs. GTA04 remains unanswered. Also, Michael Lauer recently posted http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/003020.html This makes the issue completely unclear, esp. GTA03 part. AFAIK (my opinion stems from the discussion which took place in May on the hardware list) GTA04 is a brand new device based on a more advanced SoC. But it's very hard to find any info on 03. Could anybody unveil the GTA03 mystery? What are the hardware specs, will the shared-slow-videoRAM-bus issue be fixed (for me it's the main reason to wait for the next device)? Any comments from openmoko employees are especially welcome ! (: PS don't kick me too hard, it's my first post to this list (; _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
This is GTA03 - http://walkingice.twbbs.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=715 _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Not wanting to denigrate any hard work jOERG (or anyone else at FIC) is currently undertaking on the next model of mobile phone, but I think most of us have waited long enough for Freerunner, and I think you'd be crazy holding off waiting for a later version. If you look at <http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007- October/011217.html> you will see how Freerunner has for ages been ready "real soon now". We'd all rather the hardware is released when it's good and ready - we don't want to rush the developers, so get Freerunner as soon as it's out and don't torture yourself with further agonising anticipation. Stroller. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community