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------=_Part_39724_29215919.1211933716704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It should be no problem.=C2=A0 You just have to set up your routing tables = correctly so that the desktop knows to route its traffic to the device, and= the device knows to forward traffic to the cellular connection.=C2=A0 It w= ould be really handy to have an application to configure all of this automa= gically. It might also be cool to have the Freerunner act as a wireless router!=C2= =A0 Instant (slow) internet anywhere... =C2=A0 Hi, I'm was sitting in my workshop with the cable modem out and the local wirel= ess not working correctly and so no internet access today, wondering if we = can expect to use the FreeRunner/Openmoko as a cellular modem at any point.= I haven't seen much mention of this. Any ideas? Thanks, Vinc ------=_Part_39724_29215919.1211933716704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html><head></head><body>It should be no problem.&nbsp; You just have to set up your routing tables correctly so that the desktop knows to route its traffic to the device, and the device knows to forward traffic to the cellular connection.&nbsp; It would be really handy to have an application to configure all of this automagically.<br><br>It might also be cool to have the Freerunner act as a wireless router!&nbsp; Instant (slow) internet anywhere...<br><br><table width="100%"><tbody><tr><td width="5" bgcolor="blue">&nbsp;</td><td> <p>Hi,<br>I'm was sitting in my workshop with the cable modem out and the local wireless not working correctly and so no internet access today, wondering if we can expect to use the FreeRunner/Openmoko as a cellular modem at any point. I haven't seen much mention of this. Any ideas?<br> Thanks,<br>Vinc<br></p></td></tr></tbody></table></body></html> ------=_Part_39724_29215919.1211933716704--
I think this should work automagically using pppd on both ends. -- Lindsay (Carlton): should i eat more post its _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
still... you can't bridge the ppp adapter so it will have to be on its own subnet that you masquerade or route appropriately. -- Brad _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
That's a great idea Matt! Might be a drain on the battery moving packets around though. Speaking of which, would anyone know if it would be possible to use a 3G USB dongle on one of these? I can't see why not. I have a friend here in Australia who users a Three (Hutchinson) network USB dongle plugged into his Ubuntu box. He tells me it uses PPP to dialin and it's as easy as pie. Can anyone shed some light on this? Cheers, Nick _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Nick you can use a gta01 with a y-cable and power source (i modified the hub below to provide 5v upstream to eliminate the need for a y cable). I only had to add the modules "option" and "usbserial" to work with the 3g adapter. it's a cdma/evdo adapter from verizon. http://chockerblockablog.blogspot.com/2008/03/neo1973-no-wifi3gbattery-life-no.html it's not too hard to make the neo act as a bluetooth access point to multiple devices and also bt dun server for one more device. I haven't set this up on the neo yet but I did do that with a gumstix. i think it may still be up in the air how to run a usb device and keep the freerunner charging externally. this 3g adapter i'm using draws a lot of power, so it almost certainly won't work when only powered from a freerunner's battery. -- Brad _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
--nextPart4286295.XO8vGHtnl9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Nope it's not, see Y-cable in wiki. Should work perfectly. You just have to= =20 find the 5pin-mini-USB-plug to DIY one.=20 /jOERG --nextPart4286295.XO8vGHtnl9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIPRg+7Xtwhpk1UgwRAu7EAJsHq8LAxvwNgOnLY02mZ9r8KHSuhwCdE21w Qo6pH0aLS+1CvOLSipLxEik= =eqs0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4286295.XO8vGHtnl9--
On Wed, 28 May 2008 02:15:16 +0200, Matt Mets <matt.mets@cibomahto.com> In ad-hoc network mode only. AFAIK the WiFi chip used in the Freerunner doesn't support AP mode. -- Alexey Feldgendler <alexey@feldgendler.ru> [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the WiFi chip in fact _can_ do AP mode, but that mode is not allowed in the open source driver. _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
its a firmware. the wifi module has its own firmware and does the 802.11 handling there autonomous. that concept is called hardmac and was there earlier, e.g on the old 'orinoco silver' aka hermes pcmcia cards. that firmware can currently do client mode and ad-hoc. _in theory_ every wifi radio can do ap-mode, its just a question if you can send packets at a low-enough layer in the right format. this is controlled by firmware on the wifi module in this specific case. => ap mode would need another firmware which we do not have and not know if it exists at all from atheros to be loaded into the wifi module. so there is nothing we could do on the driver front to change that. -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: |> Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the WiFi chip in |> fact _can_ do AP mode, but that mode is not allowed in the open source |> driver. | | its a firmware. the wifi module has its own firmware and does the 802.11 | handling there autonomous. | that concept is called hardmac and was there earlier, e.g on the old | 'orinoco silver' aka hermes pcmcia cards. or "fullmac". It just doesn't support Master mode. | that firmware can currently do client mode and ad-hoc. | _in theory_ every wifi radio can do ap-mode, its just a question if you | can send packets at a low-enough layer in the right format. | this is controlled by firmware on the wifi module in this specific case. It's also a matter of receiving bulk packets efficiently and they don't give us monitor mode either. We're helpless unless Atheros decided to implement Master mode in their closed firmware. Unfortunately the power advantages of having the bulk of the ieee80211 actions managed in the firmware are pretty compelling so I don't know how we get out of that bind. - -Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg+VD4ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMo4nACdFkBC+552ElF8o0cy2x+ffu0A mfQAn2+zAX7OTDveChC1r4ulzlBjV7kG =swEq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
The very knowledge that we can't do something that the hardware would technically be capable of is annoying, but I don't really see why we would need to implement a true AP in the phone. For any reasonable use case I can think of, ad-hoc mode should be enough. The only usability advantage of being an AP would be that it can send beacon packets that allow other devices to detect an available network, but sending beacon would be a battery drain anyway. -- Alexey Feldgendler <alexey@feldgendler.ru> [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Strongly agree. In some cases this was a result of the agreement we were able to reach with the chip manufacturer in order to open source the driver. We don't view this as a perfect solution, but rather a good start. Hopefully in the future the success of Openmoko will encourage Strongly disagree. Innovation is stifled whenever choices are limited simply because we can't think of why someone would want to make that choice. We should always strive to make such choices available. Assuming the use case made sense, the Freerunner could be powered externally. Michael _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
--nextPart7305447.obnXLLJdfT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline =20 Not if you don't find a "3 word slogan" to sell this feature to your granny. SCNR, still got a "no Joerg!" trauma ;-) /j --nextPart7305447.obnXLLJdfT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIPu2l7Xtwhpk1UgwRAnEyAJ4sKRd1D00nh7b4wBhfIKuv2VKi8ACeJaHy VPMJOLpDzU9/ANnCy0JTe4k= =WVcI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart7305447.obnXLLJdfT--
I believe there is a legal expression, something like "the grandfather clause". Has Steve now invented a similar marketing expression, the _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
--0-1866042212-1212101861=:20446 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone is really interested in make this phone an AP to whatever use&nbs= p; and&nbsp; if a&nbsp; external power is&nbsp; an option, why not use a US= B 1.1 wireless adapter able to&nbsp; do that even it only do it&nbsp; in b = instead of g if the usb 1.1 doen't allow&nbsp; the 54 Mb/s.it can be very p= robable that can even use monitor mode with that dongle ;) even without ext= ernal power it can be doable for a shorts periods of time (well battery wil= l decide the timeframe) --- El jue, 29/5/08, Michael Shiloh &lt;michael@openmoko.org&gt; escribi=C3= =B3: De: Michael Shiloh &lt;michael@openmoko.org&gt; Asunto: Re: Neo as cellular modem? Para: "List for Openmoko community discussion" &lt;community@lists.openmoko= .org&gt; Fecha: jueves, 29 mayo, 2008 6:00 Alexey Feldgendler wrote: &gt; On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green &lt;andy@openmoko.com&g= t; wrote: &gt;=20 &gt;&gt; We're helpless unless Atheros decided to implement Master mode in their &gt;&gt; closed firmware. Unfortunately the power advantages of having the bulk &gt;&gt; of the ieee80211 actions managed in the firmware are pretty compel= ling &gt;&gt; so I don't know how we get out of that bind. &gt;=20 &gt; The very knowledge that we can't do something that the hardware would= =20 &gt; technically be capable of is annoying,=20 Strongly agree. In some cases this was a result of the agreement we were=20 able to reach with the chip manufacturer in order to open source the=20 driver. We don't view this as a perfect solution, but rather a good=20 start. Hopefully in the future the success of Openmoko will encourage=20 chip manufacturers to become more open. &gt; but I don't really see why we would need to implement a true AP in the phone.=20 Strongly disagree. Innovation is stifled whenever choices are limited=20 simply because we can't think of why someone would ...
Valid idea. Thanks for mentioning this. Michael _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I've not had much luck finding a solid linux driver for usb-based wifi adapter as an AP. RE speed... get it working first, then try to optimize. :) -- Brad _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
------=_Part_1462_13396674.1212056651557 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think, for example, you can't do WPA in ad-hoc mode (only WPA2), so there's a reason. There are some others like this one. Ivo On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Alexey Feldgendler <alexey@feldgendler.ru> ------=_Part_1462_13396674.1212056651557 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think, for example, you can&#39;t do WPA in ad-hoc mode (only WPA2), so there&#39;s a reason. There are some others like this one.<br><br>Ivo<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Alexey Feldgendler &lt;<a href="mailto:alexey@feldgendler.ru">alexey@feldgendler.ru</a>&gt; wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green &lt;<a href="mailto:andy@openmoko.com" target="_blank">andy@openmoko.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> We&#39;re helpless unless Atheros decided to implement Master mode in their<br> closed firmware. &nbsp;Unfortunately the power advantages of having the bulk<br> of the ieee80211 actions managed in the firmware are pretty compelling<br> so I don&#39;t know how we get out of that bind.<br> </blockquote> <br></div> The very knowledge that we can&#39;t do something that the hardware would technically be capable of is annoying, but I don&#39;t really see why we would need to implement a true AP in the phone. For any reasonable use case I can think of, ad-hoc mode should be enough. The only usability advantage of being an AP would be that it can send beacon packets that allow other devices to detect an available network, but sending beacon would be a battery drain anyway.<div ...
--nextPart1573762.5MgTxfjC86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well it's some time ago since I read about Soft|Hard|Free|FullMAC for prism= =20 chipsets. Dunno whether there was a way to run even fullmac cards with a=20 softmac stack. A much more interesting point: where is the firmware to download to our=20 Atheros-chip. (NO, no flamewar on free firmware|no firmware again!). Just a= =20 simple question: do we have any way to reflash the FW? /jOERG --nextPart1573762.5MgTxfjC86 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIPoo87Xtwhpk1UgwRAst0AJ0dXzUZb8BMd/dCdA5nISAngpOoMwCglBzv VmOoKEkT9yotUebf8oU/d9I= =Law8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1573762.5MgTxfjC86--
--nextPart2334558.WMa8i8aSEB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hmmm you really have a talent to ask interesting questions dunno... yet /j --nextPart2334558.WMa8i8aSEB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIPg0I7Xtwhpk1UgwRAv6TAJ9RRAdzLf2Yy8zcrGa5G3scY7gRigCff5WZ gqB4GQuF9e6A9JUdJgBNwhg= =5pqb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2334558.WMa8i8aSEB--
------=_Part_9277_12603421.1211938016665 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is all encouraging. Even dial up (telephone modem) speed would have been good today. I could have gotten more work done today while waiting for the cable guy. I'm looking forward to trying this. Thanks ------=_Part_9277_12603421.1211938016665 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is all encouraging. Even dial up (telephone modem) speed would have been good today. I could have gotten more work done today while waiting for the cable guy. I&#39;m looking forward to trying this.<br>Thanks<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Matt Mets &lt;<a href="mailto:matt.mets@cibomahto.com">matt.mets@cibomahto.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div>It should be no problem.&nbsp; You just have to set up your routing tables correctly so that the desktop knows to route its traffic to the device, and the device knows to forward traffic to the cellular connection.&nbsp; It would be really handy to have an application to configure all of this automagically.<br> <br>It might also be cool to have the Freerunner act as a wireless router!&nbsp; Instant (slow) internet anywhere...<div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br><table width="100%"><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="blue" width="5">&nbsp;</td><td> <p>Hi,<br>I&#39;m was sitting in my workshop with the cable modem out and the local wireless not working correctly and so no internet access today, wondering if we can expect to use the FreeRunner/Openmoko as a cellular modem at any point. I haven&#39;t seen much mention of this. Any ideas?<br> Thanks,<br>Vinc<br></p></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br> Openmoko community mailing list<br> <a ...
