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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0884_01C8BF39.9D7264A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes mass pro will start soon. There is another batch of a few hundred or so phones being built tomorrow. These phones are then put through production test software and if xx% pass, then the factory says " you are clear to build thousands per week" and if your test software takes too long ( say 2 minutes as opposed to 1 minute) the factory says. " your hardware is fine, your software is fine, your yield is fine, but your cycle time needs work." So this "PRE MP" period is very stressful for everyone. Not many users get to see it in the detail you have. So. Hardware is Solid. No PCB changes coming that I know of. manufacturing Processing is Solid. No fabrication issues I know of. Production process is solid. no production issues I know of. Test software is the sticking point. So, the factory will build a couple hundred phones. Then they will run them through the test software. measure yield, and come back to us and say. FLIP THE SWITCH and build it, or they will say can we please have you look at one more thing. and then they will schedule us for another run of few hundred next week. It's a painful process. basically you are on a week for week slip. ASU and developers. The phone will ship with the current software for a while until the new suite is ready for prime time. ASU is available to anybody who has an advanced released Freerunner. It's very Pre Alpha, but I thought It was time to start showing people the direction we were headed in. ASU software will NOT slow down the shipment of freerunner. The basic apps of dialer, sms, cand contacts, running on GTK were frozen a while ago. they constitute the launch titles. "If it was me, I would only have built a few hundred so far, but they may well have bigger balls than I do. " A typical Pre MP would run 1000 units overall in several batches. remember you are trying to test the yield and if you want a 99% yield, then you have to do a lot of Pre MP. The probability of finding a 1% defect in a run of 100 is not very good, for example. So, it's not so much having giant titanium nuggets as it is mundane process control statistics. I think we are pretty close to the typical 1000 units you have build before going full MP. I'll Know more after tomorrows build. _____ From: community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Ron K. Jeffries Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 5:48 PM To: OpenMoko Subject: early experince Freerunners w/ ASU load, vs. thousnads of Freeruners Sebastian, I am well aware that we are MANY months away from Freerunner being appropriate choice for an average "just a user." But Steve has talked about "mass production" (starting soon...) which I'd assume implies OpenMoko building a few thousands of Freerunners. I am not asking about the relatively few "early experience" Freerunners that Steve and Michael have evidently seeded out to a few trusted folks. I may be misguided, but the quality of ASU load does not sound like it's ready to flow out to a few thousand developers, never mind how eager they are. My guess: OpenMoko is gathering feedback from the n=100 (???) early experience Freerunner units, then they knocks down the nastiest bugs, and THEN and only then open the spigot at the factory. If it was me, I would only have built a few hundred so far, but they may well have bigger balls than I do. ;) -rj ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Sebastian Reichel <elektranox@gmail.com> To: List for Openmoko community discussion <community@lists.openmoko.org> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:26:53 +0200 Subject: Re: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU what ships? hi, it was said some days ago in the mailing list, that ASU is not the software which is shipped with the phone. But the first Freerunners, which are shipped are still not for the average user - they are for developers, which are able to update their phones. Am Sonntag, den 25.05.2008, 12:35 -0700 schrieb Ron K. Jeffries:------=_NextPart_000_0884_01C8BF39.9D7264A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dblue> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> Yes mass pro will start soon. = There is another batch of a few hundred or so phones being built = tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> These phones are then put through production test software and if xx% pass, then the = factory says<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> “ you are clear to = build thousands per week” and if your test software takes = too long ( say 2 minutes as opposed<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>to 1 minute) the factory says. = “ your hardware is fine, your software is fine, your yield is fine, but = your cycle time<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>needs work.” So = this “PRE MP” period is very stressful for everyone. Not many users get to = see it in the detail you<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>have. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So. Hardware is Solid. = No PCB changes coming that I know of. manufacturing Processing is Solid. No fabrication issues<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I know of. Production process is = solid. no production issues I know of.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Test software is the sticking = point. So, the factory will build a couple hundred phones. Then they will = run<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>them through the test software. = measure yield, and come back to us and say. FLIP THE SWITCH and build it, or they will = say<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>can we please have you look at one = more thing. and then they will schedule us for another run of few hundred = next week. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It’s a painful process. = basically you are on a week for week slip.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ASU and developers. The phone will = ship with the current software for a while until the new suite is ready = for prime time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ASU is available to anybody who has = an advanced released Freerunner. It’s very Pre Alpha, but I thought = It was time<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>to start showing people the = direction we were headed in. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ASU software will NOT slow down the shipment of freerunner. The basic apps of dialer, sms, cand = contacts, running on GTK were<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>frozen a while ago. they constitute = the launch titles. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>“If it was me, I would only have built a few hundred so = far, but they may <br> well have bigger balls than I do. “</span></font><font size=3D2 = color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span= <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A typical Pre MP would run = 1000 units overall in several batches. remember you are trying to test the yield = and if you want a 99% yield, then<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>you have to do a lot of Pre MP. The probability of finding a 1% defect in a run of 100 is not very good, for example.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So, it’s not so much having = giant titanium nuggets as it is mundane process control statistics. = I think we are pretty close<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>to the typical 1000 units you have = build before going full MP. I’ll Know more after tomorrows build. = <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font = size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1> </span></font></div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font = size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] <b><span = style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ron K. Jeffries<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, May 25, = 2008 5:48 PM<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OpenMoko<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> early experince Freerunners w/ ASU load, vs. thousnads of = Freeruners</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>Sebastian,<br> <br> I am well aware that we are MANY months away from Freerunner<br> being appropriate choice for an average "just a user."<br> <br> But Steve has talked about "mass production" (starting = soon...)<br> which I'd assume implies OpenMoko building a few thousands of = Freerunners.<br> <br> I am not asking about the relatively few "early experience" Freerunners that<br> Steve and Michael have evidently seeded out to a few trusted folks.<br> <br> I may be misguided, but the quality of ASU load does not sound like <br> it's ready to flow out to a few thousand developers, <br> never mind how eager they are.<br> <br> My guess: OpenMoko is gathering feedback from the n=3D100 (???) = early <br> experience Freerunner units, then they knocks down the nastiest bugs, = <br> and THEN and only then open the spigot at the factory.<br> <br> If it was me, I would only have built a few hundred so far, but they may = <br> well have bigger balls than I do. ;)<br> <br> -rj<br> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br> <br> <br> From: Sebastian Reichel <<a = href=3D"mailto:elektranox@gmail.com">elektranox@gmail.com</a>><br> To: List for Openmoko community discussion <<a href=3D"mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org">community@lists.openmoko.org= </a>><br> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:26:53 +0200<br> Subject: Re: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU = what ships?<br> <br> hi,<br> <br> it was said some days ago in the mailing list, that ASU is not the<br> software which is shipped with the phone. But the first Freerunners,<br> which are shipped are still not for the average user - they are for<br> developers, which are able to update their phones.<br> <br> Am Sonntag, den 25.05.2008, 12:35 -0700 schrieb Ron K. Jeffries:<br> > I am NOT asking if mass production has started.<br> ><br> > I am asking if OpenMoko has frozen a release to<br> > load into the microSD cards. It seems to me that the unit can come = off<br> > the line, and that one of the final steps before packing would be = to<br> > load the<br> > software.<br> ><br> > Is ASU "the* ship[ping s/w load?<br> ><br> > yes I know people can and will download new s/w.<br> > but you'd hope that the Freerunner as shipped would not<br> > require an immediate s/w reload.<br> ><br> > Or maybe I'm being too "old skool" ???<br> > --<br> > Ron K. 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