If it has a C interface it's likely classes don't strictly mean c++

classes.
My 2c on c++..  
It is an extra magnitude of difficulty to get anything more then a few

developers to code in a consistent style when working with C++.

Requires strict discipline and coding standards.  Without such things,

it all de-generates at a rate proportianal to the number of developers

and amount of code being writen. 
-----Original Message-----

From: community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org

[mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Carlo E.

Prelz

Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:32 PM

To: List for Openmoko community discussion

Subject: Re: Switch from GTK to QT (was: ASU software -

pre-pre-releaseimpressions)
	Subject: Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions

	Date: mar 20 mag 08 08:21:06 -0600
Quoting Travis Tabbal (travis@tabbal.net):
> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Carlo E. Prelz

wrote:

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>

> > The switch to QT

> > *requires* the abandoning of C in favour of C++, a language that I

> > personally find unsuitable for use.

>

> QT is C++, but you can write your code in C and just use the various

classes

quoted text
> to get GUI widgets. 

Funny way to define the concept. I must disagree: if you "use the

various classes"

you write C++. 
> I really don't see why someone that knows C would have a

quoted text
> problem with C++. I find some aspects of C++ irritating compared to

Java,

quoted text
> C#, Python, etc.. But it's far from "unsuitable for use". I can write

both

quoted text
> good and bad code in most any language. And there is nothing saying

you have

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> to write your apps in C++. 

Subjectively (for me), it is unsuitable for use.
I write code as a job (have been doing that for longer than I wish to

remember). C and Ruby are my current tools. I know from multiple

personal attempts that C++ goes severely against my mental engrams. My

ability to pay my bills depends on how smoothly and effectively these

engrams operate. I cannot allow them to get disrupted.
My complaint is that it would be difficult for me to put my hands into

the default apps. They are C++, QT, and expectedly using enough of

those creepy C++-isms (possibly, even those yecchy templates or

whereabouts). I would be comfortable with tinkering with C&GTK main

apps. On the other hand, I would find C++&QT main apps closed boxes (I

perfectly know that I could very well write C/Ruby new code on the

OM).
> I just find it an odd thing to be so irritated about.
I do not know how you received the idea that I was irritated. I am

only a bit disappointed (after waiting for this project to produce its

fruit for all these years), and I wanted to let Openmoko know that

they have lost at least one (early-adopting) client by operating the

switch to QT. 
Later, if I find that the original OM core code works to satisfaction,

I may decide to buy the phone just the same.
Carlo
--

  *         Se la Strada e la sua Virtu' non fossero state messe da

parte,

* K * Carlo E. Prelz - fluido@fluido.as             che bisogno ci

sarebbe

  *               di parlare tanto di amore e di rettitudine?

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