Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions

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From: Kevin Dean
Date: Monday, May 19, 2008 - 10:06 am

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Ian Darwin <ian@darwinsys.com> wrote:

I've done Daily Snapshot Reviews since January. I enjoy bug hunting
and communication. Where can I get this image? Does it run on a
Neo1973?


For those without Flash, here's a video of the same concept.
http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/illume-vv-01.avi


I personally had those reservations as well. From a non-technical
standpoint, I think Openmoko "did right by me". I know nothing about
hackability on a code level, but I know my previous dislike of Qtopia
was because of the lack of flexbility from not running on X11. I also
had doubts... Qtopia has been around for a while and never made waves
but Openmoko held promise. I felt making the switch to Qtopia was a
comprimise on that.

However, I don't think so now. The work done to port Qtopia to Xorg
created a LOT of opportunity for the "Open" part of the Openmoko
mission statement to be true. Third part developers have just as much
ability to hack as they do with the 2007.1 stack (arguably more so)
now that the base includes Qtopia but allows for other languages and
toolkits. I think this will be made even easier with the service-based
approach that will expose functionality cleanly across those
toolkits/languages.


Sometimes people forget that Openmoko Inc. can't make hackable phones
unless they SELL hackable phones. Hardware isn't free. Staffing,
advertising, fabrication, procurement, shipping, design (et cetera)
costs money. I think everyone here can truly respect that, if not like
it. I'm happy that Openmoko was able to make a decision that will
generate revenue more quickly without comprimising the objectives in
the first place.


Free Software projects have one major strength - the ability to share.
I don't see collaboration and adaptation to be a bad thing at all. I'm
actually kind of glad that Qtopia will be an included part of
Openmoko. Including it doesn't diminish the ability for someone to
write the application they would have liked to see as "Openmoko" but
it does give people who aren't writing apps some more functional
applications.


This is good for a mass market product, I think. Having a hackable
phone aimed at end users is a good way to go. For the users who never
want to tweak, let it be familiar. For users who are fine hacking,
give them the power to. With the expansions of Qtopia by the Om dev
team, I think that balance it being struck.


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ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions, Ian Darwin, (Mon May 19, 7:27 am)
Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions, Carlo E. Prelz, (Mon May 19, 7:48 am)
Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions, Mo Abrahams, (Mon May 19, 7:51 am)
Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions, Kevin Dean, (Mon May 19, 10:06 am)
Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions, Michael Shiloh, (Mon May 19, 10:38 am)
RE: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions, steve, (Mon May 19, 12:07 pm)
Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions, Ivo Anjo, (Mon May 19, 12:13 pm)
Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions, Mike Montour, (Mon May 19, 4:27 pm)
Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions, Carsten Haitzler, (Mon May 19, 7:00 pm)
Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions, Joseph Reeves, (Tue May 20, 5:11 am)
RE: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions, Crane, Matthew, (Tue May 20, 10:12 am)
Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions, Jeremy Miller, (Tue May 20, 10:26 am)
Re: echo (was: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions), Arnout Engelen, (Wed May 21, 2:50 pm)