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[FDOM] Noob questions on FDOM

So I had 2008.8 loaded and ran the FDOMizer script. It seemed to work
fine, and the phone boots fine. But I do have a few questions.

- On boot, the GUI is enlightenment. The wiki lists FDOM as a 'finger
friendly' distro, but enlightenment is pretty much stylus only. Is this
normal for FDOM?

- When I use a web browser, there is no way to type anything into the
text box to enter an URL. How do you bring up the text entry keyboard
in enlightenment?

- Is there a way to see what apps are ...

Dec 18, 7:35 pm 2008
Neil Jerram
[debian] enlightenment has no png loader?

I noticed that there are now e17 packages in debian unstable, and that
these include -dbg packages. Since my current e17 (from the
enlightenment-all-in-one deb that someone put together) always SEGV's
on startup, and since Raster has asked for backtrace with symbols when
that happens, I thought I'd uninstall enlightenment-all-in-one and try
the new Debian packages instead.

But now, enlightenment_start bails with:

...
ESTART: 1.49197 [0.75791] - test file format support
<<<< Enlight...

Dec 18, 6:44 pm 2008
Simon Kagstrom
Bluetooth headset GUI configuration

Hi!

Everybody has their own reasons for using or not using the Freerunner
as their daily phone. I've so far used it mostly as a toy (fun one at
that) because I miss one feature: An easy GUI setup method for
bluetooth headsets (A2DP would be quite nice too). I've simply grown
used to being able to walk around and do things like cleaning the
apartment while talking.

I realise this is probably possible in Qt Extended, but I'd really like
to have it in FSO, SHR, 2008.x or perhaps Debian. So: Do any ...

Dec 18, 4:42 pm 2008
Angus Ainslie
Re: Bluetooth headset GUI configuration

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Simon Kagstrom

A search of the wiki brings up this

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Bluetooth_Headset...

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Dec 18, 4:52 pm 2008
Erland Lewin
Re: Bluetooth headset GUI configuration

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I'd be really interested in hearing reports about how well the Freerunner
works in real life with Bluetooth headsets with the various distributions.

I was just thinking that it might be a way to circumvent the buzz & low
outgoing volume problems that's preventing me from using my Freerunner.

/Erland

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Dec 18, 5:22 pm 2008
Petr Vanek
Re: Navit add destination

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:13:07 +0000

With the new version: click anywhere you want to go to on the map, this
will bring up menu, choose Actions and then you will see the
coordinates of the selected point. Click on it and choose from: Set as
destination, Set as position, Add as bookmark, POIs (you can also see
the name of the street or of the selected element). You want to choose
Set as destination.

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Dec 18, 3:58 pm 2008
Samuel Pereira
Navit add destination

Hi,

Can you add any destination on navit?

Thanks,
Samuel

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Dec 18, 3:13 pm 2008
"Bernd (Jesus M...
Re: No more optimization team

edit:
yes, the battery life sucks at the testing image (on 2008.9 i had 40
hours, which is not great, but since i come at least every second day,
this was not a problem)

Dec 18, 2:41 pm 2008
Paul Fertser
Re: WSOD

Hi,

Basically you can try to use andy-tracking with FSO ms4 with a
quick-and-dirty patch from http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/293
. The proper support is coming in MS5 (probably will be backported to
stabilization/milestone4).

It doesn't seem that any other distro is ready.

What will be broken depends mostly on the distro's way of dealing with
/sys.

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Dec 18, 1:23 pm 2008
Giorgio Marci
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

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In Italy most of the home user routers have 192.168.0.* by default.

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Subject: Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:20:35 +0100 (CET)

> IME 192.168...

Dec 18, 12:17 pm 2008
Carlo Minucci
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

in italy most are 192.168.1.* :)

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Dec 18, 12:20 pm 2008
Esben Stien
Default IP Address on All Distributions

Why on earth would you choose 192.168.0.*?

This is probably the most common IP address on an internal network in
the world and of course this means problems.

If your network is configured with this IP range and you pop a
freerunner in, it of course cause a world of pain. Please choose a
more sensible default.

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Dec 18, 11:46 am 2008
Tilman Baumann
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

One word.
zeroconf

Oh, it is two words zeroconf and bonjour

www.zeroconf.org/

PS: As fallback for DHCP of course.

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Dec 18, 1:19 pm 2008
Sargun Dhillon
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

Most Linux users, or most users that this device is aimed at are
intelligent enough to do a
"ip addr add 192.168.0.200/32 dev usb0"
"ip route add 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0"
This will only make two addresses on your network inaccessible. Then
you can SSH into it, and change the IP address. This takes a whole 5
minutes! It'll make you miserable to not have connectivity, I
understand, but just handle it.
We've finally standardized on a set of IPs, and -everyone- is happy
with it, except a few individu...

Dec 18, 2:50 pm 2008
Joel Newkirk Dec 18, 6:16 pm 2008
Franky Van Liedekerke
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:16:32 -0500

I couldn't agree more. I have a D-Link at home, that uses by default
192.168/16 as network, so I have to change my freerunner as well after
each reflash. And I'd like to believe I'm not the only one owning a
small router (for those curious: my D-Link doesn't allow me to change

not quite complete ... you need to set IP forwarding on the linux box,
change the netmask and the default route on FR and change
the /etc/resolv.conf file as well, otherwise no "opkg updat...

Dec 18, 6:31 pm 2008
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

I read the discussion as the request to avoid the situation completely
(spend 0 minutes) instead of handling it. Saves 10000 people 5 minutes
each, i.e. 34.7 days. And, you have forgot that learning how to do

Hm, I always thought that the FR is aimed at the *mass market* Not for
the 0.01% of individuals (i.e. PC users worldwide) who know by heart
how to set IP routes...

Just my 2ct.

Nikolaus

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Dec 18, 3:01 pm 2008
Sargun Dhillon
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

The OpenMoko FreeRunner was never aimed at end users. It's always been
aimed at developers, and if you don't know how to set routes do a man
"ip" or "ip help." There are a fair chunk of those developers who
don't have the IP overlap issue. I'd say there are maybe 1000 active
freerunner users, and maybe 60% of them have an overlapping IP. I
counted how long it takes to change the IP (on debian) (including
adding routes, setting link up), and it was about 45 seconds. That's a
total of 7.5 man hours wor...

Dec 18, 3:27 pm 2008
Robin Paulson
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

i think you shouldn't be so dismissive to someone who, rather than
whining, put his point forward in a constructive way. this was hardly
your average ill-directed rant from someone who doesn't understand the
situation.

patience, tolerance and understanding are considered good things, you know

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Dec 18, 3:49 pm 2008
Alexey Feldgendler
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:55 +0100, Esben Stien <b0ef@esben-stien.name>

169.254.0.0/16 is probably more appropriate because this range is assigned
to link-local addresses.

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Dec 18, 11:18 am 2008
Helge Hafting
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

Sure. And if we go that way, why not use the proper way of setting a
link-local address?
* Pick a random address
* check that it is free (arp, ping,...)
* take it.

That has a good chance of working, even for those who
routinely connect two phones to the same pc at the same time.

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Dec 18, 12:03 pm 2008
flamma
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

I'm not sure to have fully understood you, but I like having the phone
always on the same address.

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Dec 18, 12:20 pm 2008
Stroller
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

+1

Stroller

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Dec 18, 11:07 am 2008
Marcel
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

Nearly every network I know uses 192.168.1.*, so the default is perfectly
fine... Although something like 192.168.64.* could be statistically more
failsafe.

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Dec 18, 10:55 am 2008
Andreas Fischer
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

Well... no - with a sane routing configuration that shouldn't be much of
a problem. I have a 192.168.0 network at home and have no problems

Actually in that case I would avoid all powers of two. A higher prime
number, like 97, might be a good choice...

But eventually someone is always going to get into trouble, so maybe the
better route would be to clearly explain how to avoid routing
misconfiguration and how to change the default IP (which is done in
/etc/network/interfaces fyi).

Regards,
...

Dec 18, 11:14 am 2008
Marcel
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

I just typed some random numbers > 1 to get to the safer side... :)

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Dec 18, 11:23 am 2008
flamma Dec 18, 11:45 am 2008
Stroller
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

IME 192.168.1.* is the *second* most common address range for private

Indeed.

Stroller.

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Dec 18, 11:08 am 2008
flamma
Re: Default IP Address on All Distributions

I think in Spain nearly all ISP, distribute their routers for home users
with the 192.168.1.* default. Until the Freerunner, I had never seen a
192.168.0.* network (or I don't remember).

I suppose it's part of the cultural environment, like so many things.

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Dec 18, 11:20 am 2008
Giorgio Marci Dec 18, 10:42 am 2008
Petr Vanek
[shr] blackout/suspend inhibit

Hi,

perhaps i am not searching properly - is there a way to
dynamically inhibit blackout/suspend somehow? I would like to trigger it
for certain programs like navit or in case power is connected. i am
note sure whether kernel version would be in question then - i use both
andy-tracking and testing kernel.

thank you

Petr

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Dec 18, 10:08 am 2008
Giorgio Marci
Re: [QTExtended] cannot store alsa state

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Where are stored these files? there is a specific file state to store or
can i store any file in any directory? and if yes, how can i set alsa to
use that particular file?

thanks

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Dec 18, 8:48 am 2008
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Paul Fertser
Re: Black SOD for a change

Hi,

Oh, good luck with GTA03 resume then. Resume never was easy :)

Andy, i still think it'd be good if you updated the kernel in you
directory for GTA02 to the one that can actually resume (as the rev is
known, it shouldn't be that hard). People started to try andy-tracking
and not everybody can easily compile it himself. Qi update (that
includes that fancy UI ;) ) would also be good.

BTW, do i understand it right, that the latest pm stuff from Ben
should fix BT-not-working-after-resume prob...

Dec 18, 7:57 am 2008
Andy Green
Re: Black SOD for a change

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| Oh, good luck with GTA03 resume then. Resume never was easy :)

Linus loves it too

''Now, suspend/resume debugging is some of the nastiest crud around...''

http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/12/debugging-hell.html

| Andy, i still think it'd be good if you updated the kernel in you
| directory for GTA02 to the one that can actually resume (as the rev is
| known, it shouldn't be that hard). Peo...

Dec 18, 8:15 am 2008
Paul Fertser
Re: Black SOD for a change

Hi,

I'm afraid you need at least c59a8bdc7ca4b5470ebc43dfc31ed1d3d23a7c6f
to get stable operation with suspend/resume working. The latest image
at Andy's is from Dec 5, and the revision i use on the phone is from
Dec 8.

I suggest you compile the kernel as well as relevant modules
yourself. Or ask Andy to update his private directory. :)

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Dec 18, 7:34 am 2008
Andy Green
Re: Black SOD for a change

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| I'm afraid you need at least c59a8bdc7ca4b5470ebc43dfc31ed1d3d23a7c6f
| to get stable operation with suspend/resume working. The latest image
| at Andy's is from Dec 5, and the revision i use on the phone is from
| Dec 8.

Sounds right...

| I suggest you compile the kernel as well as relevant modules
| yourself. Or ask Andy to update his private directory. :)

I am sitting on another update to power ...

Dec 18, 7:39 am 2008
Micha? Brzozowski
Re: Black SOD for a change

I noticed a fresh kernel in your directory, so I flashed it. It seems
to resume, which is nice, but after suspending and resuming once, there
is noise on the screen, the bad TV antenna sort. Subsequent
suspends/resumes don't help. Rebooting helps.

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Dec 18, 4:16 pm 2008
Andy Green
Re: Black SOD for a change

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| I noticed a fresh kernel in your directory, so I flashed it. It seems
| to resume, which is nice, but after suspending and resuming once, there
| is noise on the screen, the bad TV antenna sort. Subsequent
| suspends/resumes don't help. Rebooting helps.

After you rebooted, is it doing that bad shimmering thing each resume?
I did six resumes in a row fine on my GTA02 A6 here before uploading
that buil...

Dec 18, 4:53 pm 2008
Micha? Brzozowski
Re: Black SOD for a change

I tried twice, and had it both times. I had some other issues with om,
so I flashed back to shr. I've got A6 I believe, how to check that?

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Dec 18, 5:57 pm 2008
Andy Green
Re: Black SOD for a change

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Andy Green wrote:
|> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
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|> | I noticed a fresh kernel in your directory, so I flashed it. It seems
|> | to resume, which is nice, but after suspending and resuming once, there
|> | is noise on the screen, the bad TV antenna sort. Subsequent
|> | suspends/resumes don't help. Rebooting helps.
|>
|> After you rebooted, is it doing that bad...

Dec 18, 6:23 pm 2008
Micha? Brzozowski
Re: Black SOD for a change

0360.

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Dec 18, 7:31 pm 2008
Andy Green
Re: Black SOD for a change

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

|> | I tried twice, and had it both times. I had some other issues with om,
|> | so I flashed back to shr. I've got A6 I believe, how to check that?
|>
|> cat /proc/cpuinfo should mention "Revision" as 0x350 or 0x360 - A5 or A6.
| 0360.

Hum. Well, I recognize the symptom well enough to do with Glamo
internal DRAM not set up right I believe, but I don't have it on my A6
since many weeks whe...

Dec 18, 7:36 pm 2008
Lothar Behrens
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Dec 18, 6:35 am 2008
Olivier Migeot
Re: gpspipe format

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Lothar Behrens

Whatever format this is, your best chance is to use gpsbabel.

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Dec 18, 7:03 am 2008
Paul Fertser
Answer from Joerg (was: Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Tips! ...

Joel, Joerg overlooked your question on the community mailing list,
you should have asked at hardware list instead. I asked him on IRC:
here's the answer:

12:57 < PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: could you please answer a
question wrt capacitor type for the gsm buzz fix? Joel Newkirk asks
whether he can use tantalum instead of ceramic ones as tantalum are
much cheaper and he's going to perform a rework on a reasonable
quantity of units (IIRC).
13:00 < DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: we don'...

Dec 18, 6:06 am 2008
Vasco
Re: Answer from Joerg (was: Re: Crackly Calls and Battery Ti...

I did the big-c buzzing rework myself, with the precious help of a
much more smd-experienced colleague.
It was very difficult to replace the resistor because of the proximity
of the components around the mic. A very sharp soldering iron is
critical.
I used a 1k resistor (didn't have a 2k2 of the same size at hand), and
a 100uF/10V tantalum capacitor.
So far, so good! The buzz seems to be gone for good. :)
One caller has reported that I sounded like "at the bottom of a pit",
but this can b...

Dec 18, 8:12 am 2008
Giorgio Marci
Dual boot strange problem

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I have installed QTExtended 4.4.2 on NAND flash and SHR on the SD and i'm
experiencing strange boot problems.

If i start qtext everything is fine and the system boots normally. Same
thing if after that i switch to SHR. The problem comes up when i reboot
from SHR and choose again to start SHR from the...

Dec 18, 5:31 am 2008
Giorgio Marci
Re: [QTExtended] duplicated sms

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It's very annoying for me! We should wait for the next release...hope
very soon!!

regards

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Dec 18, 5:25 am 2008
Giorgio Marci
[QTExtended] cannot store alsa state

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I adjust the volume on QTExt 4.4.2 using alsamixer and then i'd like to
store its state, but the command

alsactl -f path_to_file.state store

doesn't seem to work and, after that i make or receive a call, the state
returns to default!

How can i save the alsa state permanently?

Giorgio

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