The OpenMoko FreeRunner was never aimed at end users. It's always been

aimed at developers, and if you don't know how to set routes do a man

"ip" or "ip help." There are a fair chunk of those developers who

don't have the IP overlap issue. I'd say there are maybe 1000 active

freerunner users, and maybe 60% of them have an overlapping IP. I

counted how long it takes to change the IP (on debian) (including

adding routes, setting link up), and it was about 45 seconds. That's a

total of 7.5 man hours world wide. Installing active desktop, and all

the other crap for my palm phone takes 20-35 minutes--way longer.

Anyways, I'm just saying 7.5 global hours isn't very much when you're

considering mass market smart phones probably soak up millions of

hours a year. Additionally, 7.5 is NOTHING, especially when there are

6.5 billion people in the world. Stop yer whining.
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

 wrote:

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>

> Am 18.12.2008 um 19:50 schrieb Sargun Dhillon:

>

>> Most Linux users, or most users that this device is aimed at are

>> intelligent enough to do a

>> "ip addr add 192.168.0.200/32 dev usb0"

>> "ip route add 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0"

>> This will only make two addresses on your network inaccessible. Then

>> you can SSH into it, and change the IP address. This takes a whole 5

>> minutes! It'll make you miserable to not have connectivity, I

>> understand, but just handle it.

>

> I read the discussion as the request to avoid the situation completely

> (spend 0 minutes) instead of handling it. Saves 10000 people 5 minutes

> each, i.e. 34.7 days. And, you have forgot that learning how to do

> that takes more than 5 minutes if you are not an experienced sysadmin.

>

>> We've finally standardized on a set of IPs, and -everyone- is happy

>> with it, except a few individuals who don't know how to use their

>> system.

>

> Hm, I always thought that the FR is aimed at the *mass market* Not for

> the 0.01% of individuals (i.e. PC users worldwide) who know by heart

> how to set IP routes...

>

> Just my 2ct.

>

> Nikolaus

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