Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

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Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 11:12 am

Evgeny Karyakin wrote:

> Dunno... First link propose a case suggesting iPhone look, I think

The hole is important. You can tie the phone to a string. And it is
easier for the do-it-yourselfers to make brackets for car/bicycle use.

> With relation to Raster's case, if you're going to get sliding

* Software will especially be harder to use on the GTA01 and GTA02.
* One more part for condensation/rain to ruin. If you want to waterproof
GTA02, then you can probably do so with some work. Silicone in the
case seams, and so on. fill the plugs with something. Now try this
with a keyboard. The two buttons on GTA02 can be covered, they aren't
used much so it is ok if they get cumbersome. Not so with a kayboard.

> * Localization issues. Hopefully Openmoko (phones) will be wide-spread

This is an important point. Other phone makers all fail on this point.
They sell phones with a english keyboard. This is not sufficent in the
rest of Europe, of course. So they think they can paint the keytops
differently, and change the keyboard driver. This fail, because
there is not enough keys. Other languages using the latin alphabet tends
to have a few letters more than just A-Z. And then you get ugly kludges
where you have almost the local qwerty-layout, but the non-english
stuff is in strange places requiring an extra shift modifier or some
idiocy like that. They tend to be painted in a strange color too, so you
can find them quicker in those unfamiliar places. The Norwegian
blackberry is one such kludgephone. Well, they aren't all English. I
have seen German phones too. Most markets are too small though.

For an idea of just how irritating this is - imagine if you had a
mostly english keyboard where "a" and "q" were absent - to be typed
in with "special shift" followed by "1" or "2" respectively.

There is no such problem with on-screen keyboards. I made
a Norwegian terminal keyboard for my GTA02, with all the keys in the
right places. It has more keys than the english terminal keyboard, but
that was easy enough - a software fix. I don't think they'll make the
GTA03 in 30 different keyboard versions - all painted slightly different
and some with different number of keys too. And then some want a
dvorak layout - 60 different layouts then. So they'll cut all the
small-market keyboards - those that want them can re-paint their
keyboards any way they want. :-/

Helge Hafting

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Stage of GTA03 development?, Leonti Bielski, (Tue Dec 16, 3:08 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller, (Wed Dec 17, 5:55 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Leonti Bielski, (Wed Dec 17, 10:24 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller, (Wed Dec 17, 11:28 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Steve Mosher, (Thu Dec 25, 6:27 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Michele Renda, (Fri Dec 26, 6:07 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Minh Ha Duong, (Fri Dec 26, 8:10 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Michele Renda, (Fri Dec 26, 8:16 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Lech Karol Pawłaszek, (Sun Dec 28, 2:02 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller, (Fri Dec 26, 8:32 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Michele Renda, (Fri Dec 26, 9:46 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, , (Fri Dec 26, 2:14 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Michele Renda, (Fri Dec 26, 2:37 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer, (Tue Dec 16, 7:28 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Michele Renda, (Wed Dec 17, 5:58 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Sargun Dhillon, (Wed Dec 17, 6:17 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, "Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster"..., (Tue Dec 16, 5:03 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Leonti Bielski, (Tue Dec 16, 6:13 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Tue Dec 16, 7:32 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Al Johnson, (Tue Dec 16, 9:27 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Laszlo KREKACS, (Wed Dec 17, 5:39 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Michael Zanetti, (Thu Dec 18, 7:24 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, W.Kenworthy, (Thu Dec 18, 9:10 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Stroller, (Fri Dec 19, 11:22 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Michael Zanetti, (Fri Dec 19, 5:17 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, carmen, (Fri Dec 19, 4:09 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 , Joel Newkirk, (Fri Dec 19, 12:50 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Helge Hafting, (Fri Dec 19, 6:52 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Chris Samuel, (Thu Dec 18, 8:13 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Pander, (Thu Dec 18, 7:57 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, David Reyes Samblas Martinez..., (Thu Dec 18, 7:58 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Justyn Butler, (Thu Dec 18, 7:43 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"..., (Sun Dec 21, 10:27 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, kenneth marken, (Thu Dec 18, 8:51 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, DJDAS, (Thu Dec 18, 7:31 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Thu Dec 18, 7:29 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Helge Hafting, (Thu Dec 18, 11:52 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Thu Dec 18, 7:04 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Helge Hafting, (Fri Dec 19, 6:38 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Gothnet, (Tue Dec 23, 11:10 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Ben Wilson, (Wed Dec 24, 3:23 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Ben, (Wed Dec 24, 3:57 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Robin Paulson, (Fri Dec 19, 6:53 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Michael Zanetti, (Thu Dec 18, 7:38 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Thu Dec 18, 7:52 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Thu Dec 18, 8:00 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"..., (Sun Dec 21, 10:19 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Sun Dec 21, 10:50 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Justyn Butler, (Mon Dec 22, 7:50 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Mon Dec 22, 8:40 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Sargun Dhillon, (Mon Dec 22, 8:12 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Michele Renda, (Mon Dec 22, 3:30 am)
MAME?, Damian Spriggs, (Mon Dec 22, 1:27 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Milos Mandaric, (Sun Dec 21, 10:22 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Thu Dec 18, 8:15 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Pander, (Thu Dec 18, 8:59 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Thu Dec 18, 11:32 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Evgeny Karyakin, (Wed Dec 17, 6:29 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Helge Hafting, (Wed Dec 17, 11:12 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Ed Kapitein, (Wed Dec 17, 12:00 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Wed Dec 17, 12:05 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Olivier Migeot, (Wed Dec 17, 12:20 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Justyn Butler, (Wed Dec 17, 7:02 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Will Siddall, (Wed Dec 17, 7:12 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller, (Thu Dec 18, 4:46 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Ben, (Wed Dec 24, 12:02 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Milos Mandaric, (Wed Dec 24, 12:19 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Sargun Dhillon, (Wed Dec 24, 12:24 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Milos Mandaric, (Wed Dec 24, 1:47 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Sargun Dhillon, (Wed Dec 24, 4:10 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Gothnet, (Wed Dec 24, 9:19 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Wed Dec 24, 11:32 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Alberto Morales, (Thu Dec 25, 8:50 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, rakshat hooja, (Wed Dec 24, 4:41 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Gothnet, (Wed Dec 24, 8:18 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, rakshat hooja, (Wed Dec 24, 9:56 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Gothnet, (Wed Dec 24, 10:12 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Sargun Dhillon, (Wed Dec 24, 9:20 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Wed Dec 24, 12:43 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Justyn Butler, (Thu Dec 18, 7:12 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Thu Dec 18, 5:02 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Andreas Pokorny, (Fri Dec 19, 3:40 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Neil Jerram, (Fri Dec 19, 5:44 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Fri Dec 19, 8:22 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Andreas Pokorny, (Fri Dec 19, 6:06 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Andy Green, (Fri Dec 19, 5:23 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Will Siddall, (Thu Dec 18, 8:24 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, john, (Thu Dec 18, 5:51 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Pander, (Thu Dec 18, 6:16 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Steven Le Roux, (Thu Dec 18, 9:48 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller, (Thu Dec 18, 10:08 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Thu Dec 18, 6:34 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, NeilBrown, (Thu Dec 18, 9:00 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Thu Dec 18, 9:09 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Justyn Butler, (Thu Dec 18, 7:23 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Sam Kuper, (Thu Dec 18, 7:28 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Pander, (Thu Dec 18, 5:25 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Thu Dec 18, 5:41 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, , (Wed Dec 17, 11:25 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Steve Mosher, (Thu Dec 25, 4:04 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, rakshat hooja, (Wed Dec 17, 11:42 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Sargun Dhillon, (Wed Dec 17, 5:54 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Wed Dec 17, 9:49 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Laszlo KREKACS, (Wed Dec 17, 6:22 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Sargun Dhillon, (Tue Dec 16, 9:31 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Carsten Haitzler, (Tue Dec 16, 9:36 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, AVee, (Mon Dec 22, 1:13 pm)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, Sean Moss-Pultz, (Tue Dec 23, 12:28 am)
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?, David Reyes Samblas Martinez..., (Tue Dec 23, 4:04 am)