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Why Qtopia? I prefer that you release the next minor update ( aka 2008.10 )
and focus all works on paroli and tichy.
The new framework is pretty usable and stable.

2008/10/16 John Lee <john_lee@openmoko.com>

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> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 05:15:59PM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote:
> > 2008.9 + updates
> >
> > A phone that works:
> >       reliably make and receive calls
> >       reliably make and receive sms's
> >
> > At the moment, totally losing sms messages (phone sometimes
> > hangs/crashes when one comes in) or not waking up if suspended  when one
> > comes in means that its almost unusable as a phone.
> >
> > It often takes several boots before the pin dialog comes up. If you
> > forget while waiting and it does come up but its awhile until you get to
> > it, it will hang so you have to reboot anyway.  Sometimes restarting X
> > helps, but not always
> >
> >
> > Stability:
> > My average in normal usage is at least two boots a day due to crashes,
> > and often extra rebooting to check if an sms comes in (sometimes they
> > will only show on fresh re-registration.  Leaving the phone on and
> > registered for hours doesnt seem to help - not sure how vodafone
> > australia takes to retry messages but surely its less that 12 hours.
> > The only way to stop crashes is not to use the thing! No GPS, no
> > wireless, no phone calls, and definitely never send/receive an sms :)
> >
> > I suspect the event/0 thread is at the root of a lot of this so I am
> > waiting a fix for that.
> >
> > I dont think I am alone in this - hopefully the new focus means that
> > these issues can be dealt with.
> >
> > I am a little concerned though that you think things like boot time is
> > important enough to mention, but not basic issues like being able to
> > reliably make a phone call.  Though a faster boot means less time wasted
> > going through multiple bootups to get the thing registered. :)
>
> I would like to explain a bit more about this:
>
> We're not the only team that will work on the new focus.  Stability
> should be greatly improved by the effort of FSO, and boot time is just
> another thing we would also like to improve.
>
> At the same time, we will work on fixing qtopia bugs as well, so if
> the problems you have is in trac already, we will look into them.
>
>
> - John
>
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<div dir="ltr">Why Qtopia? I prefer that you release the next minor update ( aka 2008.10 ) and focus all works on paroli and tichy.<br>The new framework is pretty usable and stable.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/10/16 John Lee <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:john_lee@openmoko.com">john_lee@openmoko.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 05:15:59PM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote:<br>
&gt; 2008.9 + updates<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; A phone that works:<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; reliably make and receive calls<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; reliably make and receive sms&#39;s<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; At the moment, totally losing sms messages (phone sometimes<br>
&gt; hangs/crashes when one comes in) or not waking up if suspended &nbsp;when one<br>
&gt; comes in means that its almost unusable as a phone.<br>
&gt;<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d">&gt; It often takes several boots before the pin dialog comes up. If you<br>
&gt; forget while waiting and it does come up but its awhile until you get to<br>
&gt; it, it will hang so you have to reboot anyway. &nbsp;Sometimes restarting X<br>
&gt; helps, but not always<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d">&gt; Stability:<br>
&gt; My average in normal usage is at least two boots a day due to crashes,<br>
&gt; and often extra rebooting to check if an sms comes in (sometimes they<br>
&gt; will only show on fresh re-registration. &nbsp;Leaving the phone on and<br>
&gt; registered for hours doesnt seem to help - not sure how vodafone<br>
&gt; australia takes to retry messages but surely its less that 12 hours.<br>
&gt; The only way to stop crashes is not to use the thing! No GPS, no<br>
&gt; wireless, no phone calls, and definitely never send/receive an sms :)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I suspect the event/0 thread is at the root of a lot of this so I am<br>
&gt; waiting a fix for that.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I dont think I am alone in this - hopefully the new focus means that<br>
&gt; these issues can be dealt with.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I am a little concerned though that you think things like boot time is<br>
&gt; important enough to mention, but not basic issues like being able to<br>
&gt; reliably make a phone call. &nbsp;Though a faster boot means less time wasted<br>
&gt; going through multiple bootups to get the thing registered. :)<br>
<br>
</div>I would like to explain a bit more about this:<br>
<br>
We&#39;re not the only team that will work on the new focus. &nbsp;Stability<br>
should be greatly improved by the effort of FSO, and boot time is just<br>
another thing we would also like to improve.<br>
<br>
At the same time, we will work on fixing qtopia bugs as well, so if<br>
the problems you have is in trac already, we will look into them.<br>
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<br>
- John<br>
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