Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC

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From: Marc Espie
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 4:30 pm

I'm not going to comment on the mail itself, but I've seen a lot of incredibly
dubious articles on the net over the last few days.

- use your brains, people. Just because a guy does say so doesn't mean there's
a backdoor.  Ever heard about FUD ?

- of course OpenBSD is going to check. Geeez!! what do you think ?

- why would OpenBSD be in trouble ? where do you think *all the other IPsec
implementations* come from ? (hint: 10 years ago, what was the USofA view on
cryptography exports ? where is OpenBSD based. Second hint: Canada != UsOfA).

- why would the FBI only target OpenBSD ? if there's a backhole in OpenBSD,
which hosts some of the most paranoid Opensource developers alive, what do
you think is the likelyhood similar backholes exist in, say, Windows, or
MacOs, or Linux (check where their darn IPsec code comes from, damn it!)


I know that a lot of the guys reading tech@ are intelligent enough to *know*
all the rather obvious things I'm stating here, but it's looking like a lot
of stupid, stupid web sites are using this as their *only* source of
information, and do not engage their brain): if you read french, go check
http://www.macgeneration.com/news/voir/180982/un-systeme-espion-du-fbi-dans-openbsd
and be amazed at how clueless those writers are.

Just on the off chance that those idiots will read this, and realize how
stupid their generalizations are. Theo was careful enough to state facts,
and I'm a huge fan of what he's done (he's decided to go fully open with
this, which was a tough decision).
I don't see why this would impact OpenBSD negatively without affecting any
other OS... especially until we actually get proof...
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Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Theo de Raadt, (Tue Dec 14, 3:24 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Bob Beck, (Tue Dec 14, 3:52 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Damien Miller, (Tue Dec 14, 6:30 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Brandon Mercer, (Tue Dec 14, 8:26 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Otto Moerbeek, (Tue Dec 14, 11:48 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Gregory Edigarov, (Wed Dec 15, 3:20 am)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Brandon Mercer, (Wed Dec 15, 3:40 am)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Stuart Henderson, (Wed Dec 15, 3:54 am)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Peter N. M. Hansteen, (Wed Dec 15, 12:33 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, patrick keshishian, (Wed Dec 15, 1:25 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Peter N. M. Hansteen, (Wed Dec 15, 1:31 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Damien Miller, (Wed Dec 15, 1:36 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Ted Unangst, (Wed Dec 15, 1:54 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, patrick keshishian, (Wed Dec 15, 2:01 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Marc Espie, (Thu Dec 16, 4:30 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Brandon Mercer, (Thu Dec 16, 5:10 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Carson Harding, (Thu Dec 16, 7:27 pm)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Pawel Veselov, (Fri Dec 17, 3:25 am)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Kevin Chadwick, (Fri Dec 17, 4:11 am)
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC, Andres Perera, (Mon Jan 3, 1:03 pm)