openbsd-tech mailing list

FromSubjectDatesort icon
Damien Miller
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
Ignoring motive, and looking at opportunity: We have never allowed US citizens or foreign citizens working in the US to hack on crypto code (Niels Provos used to make trips to Canada to develop OpenSSH for this reason), so direct interference in the crypto code is unlikely. It would also be fairly obvious - the crypto code works as pretty basic block transform API, and there aren't many places where one could smuggle key bytes out. We always used arcrandom() for generating random numbers when ...
Dec 14, 6:30 pm 2010
Scott Lowe
Allegations of FBI involvement in OpenBSD IPSEC
I'm posting this message in the spirit of honesty and transparency. My name was recently involved in allegations of FBI involvement in the development of OpenBSD IPSEC. For the record: I am not, nor have I ever been, affiliated with or employed by the FBI or any other government agency. My advocacy of OpenBSD has been strictly due to my appreciation of the project. There is no secret agenda here. -- Scott
Dec 14, 7:16 pm 2010
Loganaden Velvindron
Re: Fix for broken autonegociation for tl(4)
Hi Miod, Here's the relevant part of the dmesg: l0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 "Olicom OC2326" rev 0x01: irq 10 address 00:00:24: 27:ca:61 ukphy0 at tl0 phy 0: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 0: OUI 0x000000, model 0x0000 ukphy1 at tl0 phy 31: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 5: OUI 0x100014, model 0x0001 //Logan C-x-C-c
Dec 14, 8:22 pm 2010
Brandon Mercer
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
If this type of thing really did happen and this actually is going on something as simple as systrace or dtrace would have found it correct? Surely folks have monitored and audited the actual function and traffic that goes across the wire... conversely amd has a "debugger" that'll get you access to more goodies than you could imagine and just recently I discovered a similar "debugger" on the wifi chip on my phone. Guess its better it doesn't work anyhow ;) Brandon
Dec 14, 8:26 pm 2010
Ted Unangst
small drm uvm diff
there is no reason for drm_bufs to be poking inside the vmspace on its own, this is what the uvm_map_hint function is for. Index: drm_bufs.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/src/sys/dev/pci/drm/drm_bufs.c,v retrieving revision 1.46 diff -u -r1.46 drm_bufs.c --- drm_bufs.c 15 Dec 2010 04:59:52 -0000 1.46 +++ drm_bufs.c 15 Dec 2010 05:04:30 -0000 @@ -922,7 +922,6 @@ { struct drm_device_dma *dma = dev->dma; struct drm_buf_map *request = ...
Dec 14, 10:05 pm 2010
Otto Moerbeek
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
It's generally impossible to see from a datastream if it leaks key data. It can be pretty damn hard to verify code to show it does not leak key data
Dec 14, 11:48 pm 2010
patrick keshishian
Re: nvi diff fixing a display glitch leading to crash
No comment/interest? I am assuming this is the right list to send this sort of crap to. Correct me if I am wrong. If the fix is incorrect I would appreciate pointers. Thanks, --patrick
Dec 15, 3:13 am 2010
Gregory Edigarov
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:48:46 +0100 I think if it leaks data, it must leak data somewhere, i.e. there must be a server somewhere, and this server must have an ip. so if you look at your traffic, and you will find an ip other then ip of your server, you will know where the leak goes. -- With best regards, Gregory Edigarov
Dec 15, 3:20 am 2010
Brandon Mercer
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
Unless of course someone was capturing the entire stream as it traversed the internet and then simply extracted the keys later on.
Dec 15, 3:40 am 2010
Stuart Henderson
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
That's not necessary, key data can be leaked in or alongside the encrypted datastream itself, there's no need to send it anywhere. And it doesn't have to be a whole key, just something that makes things cryptanalysis simpler. *If there's something there*. Remember these are still just allegations at this stage.
Dec 15, 3:54 am 2010
Kenneth R Westerback
Re: nvi diff fixing a display glitch leading to crash
Right list for commentary. If your intent was to submit a bug report then this is the wrong way. While I was unable to reproduce with a file I tried to create, I was able to reproduce with your test file. On various size xterms at least. Unfortunately I have no understanding of the nvi code so I can't say if your diff is the optimal way to address the problem.
Dec 15, 4:56 am 2010
Todd C. Miller
Re: nvi diff fixing a display glitch leading to crash
That fixes the issue for me and seems like a reasonable approach. The bug also exists in newer development versions of nvi. - todd
Dec 15, 7:43 am 2010
Claudio Jeker
dhclient-script and resolv.conf
This made me go nuts for a long time. As soon as you have two interfaces running dhclient those two will start fighting over /etc/resolv.conf which is realy bad when short lease times are used and one interface is not getting new leases. This diff extends the dhclient-script in such a way that dhclient will only restore the "old" resolv.conf file if it actually is in charge of the current file. With this the fighting does not stop but is less noticable. Index: ...
Dec 15, 8:08 am 2010
Owain Ainsworth
Re: small drm uvm diff
Yup, that's fine. This was in place in this initial import of this code, suprised i've not noticed and cleaned it up yet. -- In Pocataligo, Georgia, it is a violation for a woman over 200 pounds and attired in shorts to pilot or ride in an airplane.
Dec 15, 8:33 am 2010
Thomas Pfaff
Fw: cwm: xev_reconfig -> xu_reconfig
I sent the diff below to a few guys found in the cwm cvs log about a month ago but no love, so I'm posting here. The diff is not that important but here it is anyway. It came about when looking through the cwm code trying to fix a few bugs that I've uncovered (though I've been unsuccessful so far). More diffs like this to come, if anyone cares. BTW, who should I send things like this to, if not this list? Begin forwarded message: [...] Move xev_reconfig from xevents.c to xutil.c and ...
Dec 15, 10:33 am 2010
Mnass Caroline (via ...
RAVIE DE FAIRE TA CONNAISSANCE
This is a MIME-encoded message that mnasskdj sent through Multiply. To read it, you need a HTML-capable mail client.
Dec 15, 11:23 am 2010
Jason L. Wright
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
Subject: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC Every urban lengend is made more real by the inclusion of real names, dates, and times. Gregory Perry's email falls into this category. I cannot fathom his motivation for writing such falsehood (delusions of grandeur or a self-promotion attempt perhaps?) I will state clearly that I did not add backdoors to the OpenBSD operating system or the OpenBSD crypto framework (OCF). The code I touched during that work relates mostly to device drivers to ...
Dec 15, 11:27 am 2010
Okan Demirmen
Re: Fw: cwm: xev_reconfig -> xu_reconfig
Hi Thomas, There are a few clean-up diffs floating around the guys in the logs, some of which has some of the stuff you have below. The clean-ups have not been forgotten. Cheers,
Dec 15, 11:50 am 2010
Kevin Chadwick
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:27:31 -0800 Perhaps, Promote his domains rank in google or the facebook link? (Does anyone know if he always puts facebook links in mails) Wants IPSEC audited for some reason? Divert devs attention from something else? If it's one of these reasons or any other alterior motive then that's just dispicible. However, NDAs often last for 10 years which either adds weight to the well thought urban myth theory or to the possibility that it may be I can't see how ...
Dec 15, 12:04 pm 2010
patrick keshishian
Re: nvi diff fixing a display glitch leading to crash
Is it reasonable to assume the patch will be accepted? Thanks for looking, --patrick
Dec 15, 12:26 pm 2010
Peter N. M. Hansteen
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
The IPSEC allegations have produced a flurry of blog posts and suchlike, mostly just rehashing the contents of Theo's original message. However, I've found two followups that are interesting for their own separate reasons: in http://blogs.csoonline.com/1296/an_fbi_backdoor_in_openbsd , there appears to be some additional veribage from Gregory Perry, but IMHO it does not really add much in the way of useful information. The other ...
Dec 15, 12:33 pm 2010
patrick keshishian
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Peter N. M. Hansteen <peter@bsdly.net> http://maycontaintracesofbolts.blogspot.com/2010/12/openbsd-ipsec-backdoor-al It is easy to shoot one's mouth off like that about bounty offered, given the ridiculously constrained "conditions" the bounty is offered under. He might as well offered a million USD. No one will be able to prove this under these restrictions. --patrick
Dec 15, 1:25 pm 2010
Peter N. M. Hansteen
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
I won't get into a discussion about DES' stated requirements, but I do think it's a good-faith effort. Then again, as Jason Dixon points out in his blog http://obfuscurity.com/2010/12/Updates-on-the-OpenBSD-IPsec-Gossip , making a donation to the OpenBSD project is likely to give you more bang for the buck. - Peter -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on ...
Dec 15, 1:31 pm 2010
Damien Miller
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
His conditions aren't "ridiculously constrained", they seem to be pretty much approproiate for the allegations. -d
Dec 15, 1:36 pm 2010
Ted Unangst
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
The requirement that the bug still be exploitable in the current code is a little much. A hidden side channel might possibly be quite fragile and easily disarmed by accident without fixing the underlying flaw, but that wouldn't invalidate the allegation. That part did read a lot like hedging the bet. An exploit like this that only worked pre-4.4 (to pick a random older release for example) would still be very valuable.
Dec 15, 1:54 pm 2010
patrick keshishian
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
seriously? # - that the OpenBSD Crypto Framework contains vulnerabilities # which can be exploited by an eavesdropper to recover plaintext # from an IPSec stream, There is a big assumption about the alleged backdoor or leak; i.e., that it is used to directly extract "plaintext" out of an IPSEC stream. OK. Maybe reasonable. # - that these vulnerabilities can be traced directly to code # submitted by Jason Wright and / or other developers linked # to Perry, and Do they really ...
Dec 15, 2:01 pm 2010
Kevin Chadwick
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:57:24 -0700 If your talking to me then I tried to make it clear that I was sitting on the fence. I was going to go further but then figured that would be leaning in one direction. I certainly wouldn't want to offend anyone I don't know but I'm not going to defend them or help their case if I don't know whether they're guilty or not either. If your putting evidence forward, then logic dictates that the same reasoning applies in that it doesn't clear you unquestionably ...
Dec 15, 2:27 pm 2010
Info
Зимняя коллекция головных уборов Goorin Brothers (США)
Oepeirh b hmrepmer l`c`ghm WWW.GOORIN.RU Nrohq`r|q nr p`qq{kjh [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of mid31__owear18a.jpg]
Dec 15, 2:55 pm 2010
Tobias Weingartner
Re: Allegations regarding OpenBSD IPSEC
I've known Jason for quite a while, and nothing has ever let me believe that I should question his character, motives or otherwise make me believe he was not a straightforward and honest person. I think even in the USA a person is INNOCENT, until PROVEN guilty. So in this case, you're the one that is out of line. You're the one the onus of proof is on. Jason has no need to give you evidence. Quite frankly, dragging Jason (or anyone else) through the mud in this fashion is completely ...
Dec 15, 2:57 pm 2010
Kenneth R Westerback
Read-only sd(4) devices -- good idea?
USB. Need I say more? :-) I now have a USB device in hand which has a 'READONLY' physical switch on the top. If set to READONLY, this device spews error messages when writes are attempted. And the device freaks out so that ALL subsequent i/o's fail. I saw this: http://lists.wpkg.org/pipermail/stgt/2010-March/003569.html and hacked together the diff below to record the WRITE PROTECT info that dev_spec provides. I unified the sd and st cases to use the same flag. The USB device is now ...
Dec 15, 4:20 pm 2010
previous daytodaynext day
December 14, 2010December 15, 2010December 16, 2010