On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, Jacob Meuser wrote: yep, like I know a lot more about alfalfa, fertilzer and weed control since I planted several acres. I did a LOT of reading on Ag sites before I started asking questions at the feed store. diana PS I did contact Theo right after he started up OpenBSD with some stupid installation question. He pretty much told me if I didn't understand how to fix the problem maybe I shouldn't be using OpenBSD. Shoot, that just made me mad as hell, I thought ...

depends how you define advanced. when people say "OpenBSD is for developers", that does't mean you have to be as knowledgable as a kernel hacker to use OpenBSD effectively. it means you'll get the most out of OpenBSD when you approach it like a developer. developers *enjoy* figuring things out on their own. of course, people who enjoy learning about a subject do eventually become "advanced" at that subject, but that comes with time. -- jakemsr@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX ...

I went through this a few years and got it going with a little help from Nick. http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=116492822327679&w=2 -B

head /usr/src/lib/libkrb5/afssys_openbsd.c : /* $OpenBSD: afssys_openbsd.c,v 1.2 2009/06/03 14:45:47 jj Exp $ */ /* $KTH: afssys.c,v 1.57 1998/05/09 17:19:03 joda Exp $ */

Selection was as default, apart from "-x*" to deslect all the X clutter. Will go take a look around /usr/include.

Good. However the fresh compilation of libkrb5 should not bring an `xfspioctl' symbol into play. Did you select comp*.tgz when upgrading from 4.5 to 4.6? Do you have old header files lingering in /usr/include? Miod

Hello List, So there I was, minding my own business happily patching an upgraded 4.6 system (upgraded from 4.5 via CD boot). All going well, until I get to 008, the kerberos patch : cc -o kdc 524.o config.o connect.o kaserver.o kerberos5.o kerberos4.o log.o main.o misc.o print_version.o parse_bytes.o -lkrb5 -ldes -lcrypto -lutil /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.17.0: undefined reference to `xfspioctl' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/kerberosV/libexec/kdc ...

No, keep submitting data, just be sure to set your Country as Panama. In summary -- the entire effort is a complete load of crap. The author does it only to serve his own interests; ie. to back the lies he spreads. Otherwise, why would anyone else go through that effort?

That's really bizarre behavior. I was not aware of that part. If the data isn't actually collected or used sensibly, then there is of course no reason to try submitting data. - P -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.

Well, back then his code would compute stats for systems which have never existed (OpenBSD/amd64 2.0 being one of the funniest examples). Also, for some reason, there was about ten times more OpenBSD/luna88k numbers (of which we are only aware of a handful installations) than all other OpenBSD platforms together. Of course since the code which computes stats from the gathered data is not available, the only sensible thing to do was to mention bsdstats values can't be trusted, and move ...

Hi list. I've spent some time porting one of my favorite dungeon games (a Rom 2.6 derivative). I've only begun this project, but have already converted 1700+ lines as such: strcat -> strlcat strcpy -> strlcpy sprintf -> snprintf Much to my disappointment, I may have to rewrite large portions before I am "allowed" to share this with the OpenBSD community. Here's why: /* Written by Virigoth sometime circa april 2000 for FORSAKEN LANDS mud.*/ /* This is the implementation of the selectable ...

Ok, now I'm confused. You've been ranting for a while now, but what exactly is your question??? As I read it, you have updates to some code which has an unfriendly license, and you cant contact the licensor to get permission. Is this a fair summary? If so, what does this have to do with us? Further more - if you've been in contact with the current maintainers, who have been in contact with the licensor, cannot they put you in contact? (please don't answer this question - I really dont ...

Are you serious? Nice usage of the previously mentioned lmgtfy. You think it's valid information to supply a link that requires I join their database before I have access to the information I am looking for?

I've had fond memories of CircleMud, and I believe the maintainer is still around. -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk "This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity." -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. "Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted." -- Gene Spafford learn french: ...

So? Inquiring minds want to know! *Is* he the guy at EA? And more importantly, is he still a dick? Sean

Now *that* is an interesting question. As the original author, they should be able to rerelease the original code with a different license or with none at all. And they don't even need to do the work! They could provide someone, perhaps yourself, with a release to make the code free. Otherwise, how would companies that once licensed their code release it under a BSD License (which has happened). Hunting down authors of abandonware can and has been done before. And has also resulted in ...

The "original" author is actually: Diku Mud copyright (C) 1990, 1991 by Sebastian Hammer, Michael Seifert, Hans Henrik Sterfeldt, Tom Madsen, and Katja Nyboe. Their license agreement is in the file 'license.doc'. And their license requirements would still fit in the Ports tree: #begin quote In order to use Merc you must follow the Diku license and our license. The exact terms of the Diku license are in the file 'license.doc'. A summary of these terms is: -- No resale or ...

Hmm.... Now I know why Bill didn't answer my mail asking for books on how to make the transition from emacs to vi. Bill Joy, I'm leaving you !

Surely he's contrasting his Linux experience based on the response to something like: Torvalds, I have been hearing very good things about Linux from people whose opinions I value highly. I have a MacBook and a Windows PC on which I'd like to run Linux "dual-boot" with the existing operating system. Could you please recommend a distribution and provide detailed installation instructions for each. Do you need to know the exact models? Do you need to know which version of Mac and ...

Internet troll is on the Internet.

The OpenBSD culture also has an entirely different angle on licensing as compared to GNU/linux. Between documentation and licensing, the OpenBSD camp is ahead of the curve. In fact, I believe the reason I can't use my BCM4321 wireless card was because of a loudmouth (my terminology) linux developer? One who gave less respect to this team than they would have to a Corporate Developer? OpenBSD has given more (everything) than Linux. Linux is similar to Windows in that you are allowed to ...

Oh, is that what happens? And I was so happy for Panama having the world's most Freebsd users by almost a factor of two. Too bad Canada doesn't have any OpenBSD users, though. -- Mike Small smallm@panix.com

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Matthias Kilian <kili@outback.escape.de> I think that implication was aimed at the OP who claimed Theo was rude. Doesn't make it so, but the OP apparently took it that way.

>>>>> "Michal" == Michal <michal@ionic.co.uk> writes: Michal> "Where can I get this piece of software" which just makes you angry as Michal> it takes 5 seconds to search it. There's a reason I have an IRC alias (/goo) for lmgtfy.com . Far too many users want me to operate google for them. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, ...

I'm on Open/Free BSD, Fedora and Debian and while sometimes I find there can be a bit of unnecessary rudeness on the OpenBSD ML it's a truck load better then what you see on fedora/debian lists constantly... "Where can I get this piece of software" which just makes you angry as it takes 5 seconds to search it. It's hand holding BS most of the time. Everything is warm and fuzzy and everyone has this attitude of "wow man fedora is soooo much cooler then windozz LOL"... but very few can ...

Oh yes, very accurate information, that only shows how many of us installed an agent program to feed bsdstats. Honestly, do you really think that kind of information is of any use ? I'm not saying bsdstats is a bad idea.

What detail in the original reply Theo sent to the OP (and quoted it later on this list) was rude?

OpenBSD does indeed have a different culture. You are expected to try and learn on your own. If you make that attempt and still fail, you will probably get some help. If you have a problem with a port or hardware and clearly explain the problem with all the details needed, someone will probably help fix it. If you just want to complain you will always get the same reply: Stop your whining and submit a patch! Good patches are accepted and committed. Perhaps you could answer a Linux question ...

Yup, nowhere in that goals page does it say anything about "don't be rude to the casual users." Maybe that is why OpenBSD is so far down the list at http://bsdstats.org/ . -- Ron McDowell San Antonio TX

You're right. Yep, of course NOT. Especially when you reply like; "Try IRC client. It tells you when new mail! :)"

http://www.openbsd.org/goals.html -- I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear.

That attitude is shelfish, and I will try to state why: Linux want to conolize the world; OpenBSD exists for its own sake, that is the same as saying for the sake of both developer and curious users. You are expecting OpenBSD community should embrace you because Linux would like it: "A new adept!". But this is not the case. If you have a little hacker inside you, understand some basic principles and are willing to learn, OpenBSD community will show you how incredible knowledgeable and ...

I don't think they're superior and condescending... I think they're superior and busy.

I'd take this for "why can't we all just get along?" scolding. I'd argue OpenBSD has the best documentation of any OS I've ever seen. Not answering these questions lets the developers get on with it. Non- developer members of the community know that the docs rock, so they've got a reasonable basis for thinking that anyone who's asking a question with a documented answer is being lazy (thus implicitly rejecting the sincerity standard you're proposing). People new to OpenBSD may need ...

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Hi, I don't know how much help it'll be, but have you tried disabling acpi(4) in UKC? otherwise try disabling and ioapic/mpbios/acpimadt as APIC may be the cause for the panic, how functional this system will be afterwards is uncertain.. appears to be additional problems in that log. -Bryan.

Hi. Did you try with a lower value, like 30? If so, I can make it the default in the GDM package... -- Antoine

they do. but to be fair - their high end stuff with seperate data and control panes and, admittedly, line cards that do _way_ more than your network interface on a PC, can handle amounts of traffic we can't with the hardware we run on. That stuff, the real high end stuff that is not just built like a PeeCee, is of course not sold all that often, and it is not off-the-shelf hardware. that makes it, yes, expensive. and since it is all custome and closed yadda yadda there is close to ...

I've come across this. I yanked a disk to test reconstruction. When I realized it would take days (2T raid 1 over three disks), I gave up on it and instead tweaked my backup script to support multiple stores. while that in the end was a better (mostly as in "simpler") solution for First, let me say I'm delighted to read your conclusions on the subject. (1) Does not feel like a proper solution. dd(1) et al usually works dandy with a 64k buffer, so it should be sufficient here. (2) Sounds ...

First let me defend softraid. The rebuild code is designed to offer maximum data protection. With this is mind certain assumptions were made. That said, I am not opposed to a patch to improve performance but with all things softraid corner-cases are many and complicated. A valid patch will keep (at least) the following things in mind: * Read/Write failure on valid disks * Colliders in front or back of rebuild IO * Multi chunk failures The code also SHALL reuse normal IO paths. This code ...

I tried these commands and i got the "you have mail" alert. But again, i don't get such a notification when i have a new mail from my system. I'm using ksh. $ echo $KSH_VERSION @(#)PD KSH v5.2.14 99/07/13.2 It is OpenBSD 4.6 GENERIC.MP#1 i386