Re: Donations

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From: Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Subject: Re: Donations
Date: Monday, December 6, 2010 - 4:16 pm

Soliciting crimes is criminal activity, and therefor to be acted upon needs to
be proved in court.

Untill one is found guilty by court, any public occusations against him are
considered defamation (criminal activity on it's own).

So, according to legal regulations PayPal's activity towards Wikileaks account
should be brought to court as a defamation case.

Again: if PayPal things Wikileaks to be engaged in criminal activity, it
should report such an activity (but not the details of such activity that
became known to PayPal dew to it's contract with Wikileaks) to entitled public
bodies and sit back waiting for a court's descision.

--
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff

From: Ted Unangst
Subject: Re: Donations
Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010 - 3:52 pm

Does publicly accusing Paypal of defamation before a trial finds
Paypal guilty count as defamation?

From: Leonardo Rodrigues
Subject: Re: Donations
Date: Friday, December 10, 2010 - 6:19 am

To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin (an american! diplomat!):

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little
security will deserve neither and lose both."

From: Ted Unangst
Subject: Re: Donations
Date: Friday, December 10, 2010 - 7:40 am

Err, that's supposed to be essential liberty and temporary security.

Any society that *doesn't* give up at least a little liberty is anarchy and
Franklin was not, to my knowledge, an anarchist.

On Dec 10, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues <leonardovcr2@gmail.com>

From: Дмитрий Царьков
Subject: Re: Donations
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010 - 2:49 am

It seems that You consider killing people on the street to be a part
of one's liberty that he trades for public order. A nice way to put to
preason everyone because it is a trade off for public, social or
whatever security. And to look even more authoritative, You may apply
a label "anarchist" to everyone who isn't going to march to prison on
his own.

-- 
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff

From: Jasper Valentijn
Subject: Re: Donations
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010 - 6:09 am

Imho this Thomas Jefferson quote is better suited for the subject. ;-)

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue
of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks
and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people
of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent
their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more
dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power
should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it
properly belongs."


--
We spend the first twelve months of our children's lives teaching
them to walk and talk and the next twelve telling them to sit down and
shut up.

From: Johan Helsingius
Subject: Re: Donations
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010 - 6:22 am

From: Jasper Valentijn
Subject: Re: Donations
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010 - 6:30 am

This is my source:
<http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Private_Banks_(Quotation)>

--
We spend the first twelve months of our children's lives teaching
them to walk and talk and the next twelve telling them to sit down and
shut up.

From: Johan Helsingius
Subject: Re: Donations
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010 - 6:36 am

That states "This quotation is at least partly spurious" :)

	Julf

From: Дмитрий Царьков
Subject: Re: Donations
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010 - 2:41 am

It works for crimes with certain punishment margins. Accusing PayPal
of killing peaple, spying or frauding may be brought to court.
Accusing PayPal of stealing food from market, not dealing with due
process and etc - doesn't.

By the way, that may give You an image of importancy of due process in
modern legal systems - just between stealing a hamburger and stealing
a TV.

-- 
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff

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