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| Oct 11, 4:29 pm 2010 |
| Martin Schröder | Re: insecure scheduler in OpenBSD 4.7
man ulimit
Best
Martin
| Oct 11, 1:59 pm 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: insecure scheduler in OpenBSD 4.7
dd only example.
Look around: Linux, Mac OS X, FreeBSD... why defend a design error?
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Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 11, 3:09 pm 2010 |
| Gilles Chehade | Re: insecure scheduler in OpenBSD 4.7
Why don't you use Linux or Mac OS X or FreeBSD then ?
I hear Ubuntu has a new release, you really *really* want to try it
out as it has every single feature you can think off and probably a
lot more. I can only encourage you to go download it and never turn
back... sshhh... don't say a word, just leave, we'll be ok ;-)
Gilles
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Gilles Chehade
| Oct 11, 3:23 pm 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: insecure scheduler in OpenBSD 4.7
I'm search "hosting" in FAQ and find only
It is not a panacea.
Web servers have limit for the maximum amount of cpu time, but
php script can rerun itself.
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Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 11, 2:43 pm 2010 |
| Ted Unangst | Re: insecure scheduler in OpenBSD 4.7
echo yes | rmuser `ps ua -p \`pgrep dd\` | tail -1 | awk '{print $1}'`
| Oct 11, 1:54 pm 2010 |
| Brad Tilley | Oct 11, 3:49 pm 2010 | |
| Fred Crowson | Re: insecure scheduler in OpenBSD 4.7
Isn't l33t speak for "hey man your really pushing me up and over the limit?"
| Oct 11, 4:11 pm 2010 |
| Henning Brauer | Re: insecure scheduler in OpenBSD 4.7
you have repeatedly demonstrated that you plain don't understand
a) UNIX
b) the numbers you see
c) the fact that a computer has more ressources than a freakin' CPU
d) much more that I am not willing to work out ofr you
and I for one and sick of tired of you completely unfounded whining
and will not waste more time on it.
and fwiw, i run shitloads of OpenBSD servers for hosting purposes.
--
Henning Brauer, hb@bsws.de, henning@openbsd.org
BS Web Services, http://bsws.de
Full-Service ...
| Oct 11, 2:22 pm 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: insecure scheduler in OpenBSD 4.7
This is naive :)
dd only example, you need to search users who load CPU.
And with voracious programs you also have to be careful.
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Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 11, 2:12 pm 2010 |
| Firas Kraiem | Re: insecure scheduler in OpenBSD 4.7
You're the naive one. If a user can DOS the system just by doing dd, it
means the system's policy is very weak, so the user can probably just as
well throw a forkbomb.
| Oct 11, 2:22 pm 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | insecure scheduler in OpenBSD 4.7
I'm install OpenBSD 4.7 (dmesg attached)
uname -a
OpenBSD d1.my.domain 4.7 GENERIC#112 amd64
Run as root:
dd if=/dev/wd0c of=/dev/null bs=1m &
dd if=/dev/wd0c of=/dev/null bs=1m &
dd if=/dev/wd0c of=/dev/null bs=1m &
top
load averages: 3.12, 2.50, 1.49 16:54:08
37 processes: 36 idle, 1 on processor
CPU states: 0.1% user, 0.0% nice, 7.3% system, 3.6% interrupt, 89.1% idle
Memory: Real: 35M/339M act/tot Free: 2393M Swap: 0K/3071M used/tot
PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE ...
| Oct 11, 1:41 pm 2010 |
| Keith | OpenBSD & Xen Server & Watchdog Timeout & PCI Passthrough
I'm trying to get a working OBSD virtual machine with networking
working as a DomU in a xen server but keep coming up again network
Watchdog Timeout errors. So I spent today trying to get PCI pass-though
working with Xen and OBSD with the belief that if I could get some
network cards into the VM so to speak then the watchdog timeout errors
would go and the nic's might actually work but they didn't.
I've tested the actual server (PowerEdge R310) work with OpenBSD 4.7 so
I know that it ...
| Oct 11, 11:11 am 2010 |
| Matthias Ochs | Re: quick EuroBSDCon report
Indeed. Very nice weekend. And thanks to Peter for a very useful pf
tutorial.
Also I had the pleasure to buy the new 4.8 CDs directly from Theo -
thank you very much for bringing them (and of course for making
OpenBSD...) !
Best,
Matthias
| Oct 11, 10:59 am 2010 |
| Marc Espie | quick EuroBSDCon report
Nice event.
Hotel probably ways too expensive, but since I paid for it with my time and
my talks, I didn't care all that much.
Surprisingly, just one NetBSD talk (Alistair Crooks). Where did they hide ?
Do they still think it's a FreeBSD conference masquerading as an open
forum ?
Lots of stuff, got to meet people face to face and discuss various things.
(a bit exhausting)
There were non-OpenBSD talks. The opening lecture was... a bit out of place.
PHK said that BSD is dying and he's ...
| Oct 11, 6:21 am 2010 |
| Peter N. M. Hansteen | Re: quick EuroBSDCon report
Yes, definitely. It turned out very nice, with more OpenBSD content
than the last few had, and high quality stuff at that.
This reminds me I forgot to spam misc@ about my own conference report,
it's up at http://bsdly.blogspot.com/2010/10/eurobsdcon-2010-finest-software-tool-is.html
if you're into that kind of thing. Posted before I left Karlsruhe, on
the evening right after the conference ended.
Cheers,
Peter
--
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| Oct 11, 6:57 am 2010 |
| Henning Brauer | Re: quick EuroBSDCon report
oh. good reminder. I'll go find the right laptop...
--
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BS Web Services, http://bsws.de
Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services
Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting
| Oct 11, 11:42 am 2010 |
| All About Yoga | Oct 10, 6:09 pm 2010 | |
| GP | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
Don't compare OpenBSD and Linux, because OpenBSD and Linux are made
differently. As claudio mentioned nice make sense *only* for CPU tasks,
not IO tasks. So if you don't like it keep using Linux, otherwise you
must live with how OpenBSD is doing things.
--
GP
| Oct 11, 11:02 am 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
I'm run dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null _without_ renice and
disk read speed fell from 22Mb/s to 0.9Mb/s. Root with renice do not
I will try to install.
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Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 11, 4:17 am 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
I understand.
How adminisrator in OpenBSD can give IO tasks more CPU?
This is very important for good control.
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Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 11, 4:24 am 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
Yes of course, but... all my "dd" processes use CPU.
After run "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null"
first three "dd if=/dev/wd0c of=/dev/null bs=1m" reduce their part of CPU and
run "renice" not recover their part of CPU.
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Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 11, 1:45 am 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
Write in your system 3 lines for numbers or GTFO
top
dd if=/dev/your_disk of=/dev/null bs=1m
dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null
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Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 11, 3:47 am 2010 |
| David Coppa | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
Maybe.
But it doesn't lack moronic whiners on its mailing lists, that's for sure!
-david-
| Oct 11, 4:51 am 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
My test very simple, please test your system.
Is your original OpenBSD show identical results?
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Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 10, 11:56 pm 2010 |
| Michal | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
reading his e-mails, I don't think he is trying to be offensive, I think
his English is just poor
| Oct 11, 8:35 am 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
thank you
--
Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 11, 9:33 am 2010 |
| Martin Pelikán | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
And for the curious people who can't see the obvious: why is that?
--
Martin Pelikan
| Oct 11, 3:16 am 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
I did not want to offend. Maybe the reason in my english.
--
Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 11, 10:21 am 2010 |
| Tomas Bodzar | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
1) BSDanywhere is not OpenBSD
2) BSDanywhere is not existing anymore
3) It's live CD and it changes quite a lot things (eg. on which
controller is your CD and HDD ;-))
4) A lot of crypto inside OpenBSD http://www.openbsd.org/crypto.html
which is not true for Linux
5) where's your dmesg to see your HW?
6) Did you test it on real OpenBSD, real HW and latest release or snapshot?
Sounds like "professional" Linuxish style of "test" or "benchmark".
--
bIf youbre good at ...
| Oct 10, 9:46 pm 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
http://bsdanywhere.org/faq
" What is the primary focus of BSDanywhere?
A mostly __unmodified__ OpenBSD kernel and userland...."
My test very simple, please test your system.
Is your original OpenBSD show identical results?
--
Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 10, 11:54 pm 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
It is strange... not well and not securely.
In Linux (test 2.6.35):
- run "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null" not change read speed from disk
- renice 20 for first three "dd if=/dev/wd0c of=/dev/null bs=1m" and
renice -5 for "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null" change throughput from 30Mb/s to 5Mb/s
- renice -20 for "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null" slows the system, but not freeze
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Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 11, 3:37 am 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
In FreeBSD and Mac OS X run "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null"
not change read speed from disk...
Is in OpenBSD lacks developers?
--
Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 11, 4:34 am 2010 |
| Claudio Jeker | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
This is not how scheduling priorities work. You try to renice I/O bound
processes. The scheduler priority only matters when processes are CPU
bound.
I also don't get it why people always use /dev/*random as input
source for tests -- random numbers are not for free.
| Oct 11, 1:13 am 2010 |
| Claudio Jeker | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
Because that's the way Unix and in particular BSD and its scheduler were
built. The kernel is assumed to be efficent and never doing lot of
computation. With the addition of crypto in the kernel this may no longer
be true but it does not affect normal operation. In other words nobody
ever bothered to fix this.
| Oct 11, 4:13 am 2010 |
| Bret S. Lambert | Oct 11, 2:16 am 2010 | |
| Dmitry-T | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
I'm search stable and secure OS.
I'm test: my work Mac OS X 10.6.3, FreeBSD 8.1 on livecd frenzy-1.3-ju-release-rus, my home Linux Debian - renice work more correct.
Why renice algorithm depends from hardware and why I need install OS on HDD?
Is this renice behavior typical only for BSDanywhere and atypical for OpenBSD?
--
Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 11, 12:27 am 2010 |
| Claudio Jeker | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
CPU consumed by the kernel is not accounted by the scheduler. All the
work done by urandom is system time.
| Oct 11, 2:57 am 2010 |
| Jacob Yocom-Piatt | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
use linux, you are clearly a moron, it will suit you better.
you have posted to this list about a dozen times in a 12 hour period,
this is a sign you are an idiot. you complain about not being able to
renice i/o, another sign. you are not even using openbsd on vmware, yet
another sign you are an idiot. i'd say the case that you are an idiot is
pretty well settled.
when you are using an OS you will rarely or never renice processes, it
is a total waste of time. get a faster machine or ...
| Oct 11, 5:12 am 2010 |
| Dmitry-T | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
Thank you for your understanding.
--
Dmitry Telegin
| Oct 11, 10:26 am 2010 |
| Randal L. Schwartz | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
>>>>> "Dmitry-T" == Dmitry-T <Dmitry-T@yandex.ru> writes:
Dmitry-T> Is in OpenBSD lacks developers?
That might as well be the last message you post here.
Any little help you would get, you've just offended them.
--
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| Oct 11, 8:29 am 2010 |
| Jordi Espasa Clofent | Re: Why renice not work in OpenBSD?
Read again and again Claudio's responses until you really understand.
The key is there.
--
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
| Oct 11, 8:21 am 2010 |
| Dimitar Vassilev | Re: help on maximum performance from alix 1d
Thanks,
I missed the offlist thing for reasons that I either hit reply button
too quickly or fell into the bit bucket and I didn't look into it.
I'm using routerboard 44GV card with 4 gigabit interfaces.
The test I did was over ftp/sftp to one of the boxes in the home lab.
mtu is about 1492 and I'm able to get gigabit speed between the lab
boxes as they are cross-hooked into two procurve gigabit switches /
the ones with 8 ports/ for simulating redundancy and do not go to the
alix box, but ...
| Oct 11, 1:57 am 2010 |
| Stuart Henderson | Re: help on maximum performance from alix 1d
Someone else replied offlist which I thought was worth responding
It's not just about the clock speed of the CPU. Lots of other things
affect network forwarding performance (cache, memory bandwidth, pci
controller, type of NICs).
There are some fairly good cheap low-power geode gx/lx-based systems,
but I'm honestly surprised you even get 150Mb/s through them.
| Oct 11, 12:28 am 2010 |
| ÐмиÑÑий Ð¦Ð°Ñ ... | Re: Netbook for OpenBSD?
No. Mine is generally always on with some rare reboots - and it's
cool, though I run apmd with "-C" option.
--
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
| Oct 11, 4:44 pm 2010 |
| Mikle Krutov | Re: Netbook for OpenBSD?
So, if anyone interested:
1) I've bought Acer Aspire One 531 as recommended. Everything works OK.
(except for Yota)
2) In my city (Saint Petersburg), i've had positive experience with
computer store Key with booting from my liveusb.
Thank you for your replies and help,
--
Old mercenaries never die. They go to hell and regroup.
With best regards, Mikle Krutov, Bercut ltd. Technical Support department
| Oct 11, 11:34 am 2010 |
| ÐмиÑÑий Ð¦Ð°Ñ ... | Re: Netbook for OpenBSD?
No temperature issues. My avarage uptime is about a week, and netbook
isn't hot, though I run apmd with "-C" option.
Right now tried zzz for the first time - and it's OK (I'm running
05-Oct-2010 snapshot with Intel Link 5150 disconnected and external
urtw0 device).
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Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
| Oct 11, 4:56 pm 2010 |
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