On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:59:35PM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
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> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer <lists-openbsd@bsws.de>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > >> Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
> > > >
> > > > boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
> > > 
> > > And that attitude is why OpenBSD will never be more than a hobby OS. Sigh.
> > 
> > Correction, a professional OS that requires its users to be
> > professionals.  Not a bunch of whining windows update people that have
> > to call "IT" to launch excel.  In case you hadn't noticed we are old
> > school UNIX users that don't mind fixing whatever problem is at hand.
> > Including writing code or fixing a bug.  This is why in the olden days
> > your IT department was worth something and wasn't a bunch of monkeys
> > reading a script.
> > 
> > It is exactly your attitude that has ruined the computer industry.
> > 
> > 
> 
> You have an odd definition of professional, and the kind of attitude that
> sounds like you haven't actually worked in the computer industry in a while.
> Generally, the computer industry is about providing services to end users. And
> things like easy updates, specialisation of labour and all of that kind of
> stuff have made us an awful lot better at taht than 'old school UNIX' ever was.

OMG. Fall off chair and roll around laughing hysterically.

You have no idea how funny that is.

'You' are not better at providing service, 'you' are better at the
aforementioned hookers and blow component of user satisfaction. And
thank god somebody is doing that work or I'd have no place to put
all the bodies of the puling whining users who are convinced that
starting excel means they have a clue.

Doing actual tech work is still the province of the 'old school'.

Easy updates on Windows and Linux. Giggling all the way to work to
see how many thousand work stations and servers blew up after the
latest SMS push.

.... Ken

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> 
> But hey, if you want to pretend we all still live in the early 90s, feel free.
> I hope it works out well for you. 
> 
> OpenBSD's a wonderful OS, but it's lack of easy upgradability is a
> *disadvantage, not something to be proud of. And yes, there are good
> reasons why it doesn't exist, the linuxes do have massively more
> man power, and developers time *is* probably better spent on new features,
> rather than on packaging. Acting smug about your failings just makes you look
> like silly, however.