On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:59:35PM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
quoted text
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:

[snipzorz]

quoted text
> > It is exactly your attitude that has ruined the computer industry.
> > 
> > 
> 
> You have an odd definition of professional, and the kind of attitude that
> sounds like you haven't actually worked in the computer industry in a while.
> Generally, the computer industry is about providing services to end users. And
> things like easy updates, specialisation of labour and all of that kind of
> stuff have made us an awful lot better at taht than 'old school UNIX' ever was.
> 
> But hey, if you want to pretend we all still live in the early 90s, feel free.
> I hope it works out well for you. 
> 
> OpenBSD's a wonderful OS, but it's lack of easy upgradability is a
> *disadvantage, not something to be proud of. And yes, there are good
> reasons why it doesn't exist, the linuxes do have massively more
> man power, and developers time *is* probably better spent on new features,
> rather than on packaging. Acting smug about your failings just makes you look
> like silly, however.
> 

I think you're missing the point; marco was talking about the dumbing down of
what's considered acceptible for being called a "professional"; in this case,
mostly the fact that once you start presenting system administration as a
series of buttons to push, you get button-pushing monkeys, not people who
solve problems.