Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance

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From: Paul de Weerd
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009 - 10:16 pm

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 01:43:27AM +0200, Robert wrote:
| On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:15:27 +0200
| frantisek holop <minusf@obiit.org> wrote:
| 
| > hmm, on Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:23:58PM +0200, Claudio Jeker said that
| > > like to prove. In the end many of fefe's test programs did not
| > > actually measure what he assumed they would.
| > 
| > and he was open to get patches to remedy those problems.
| > 
| > general dislike of any benchmark in the world is also part of the
| > openbsd culture just like some qualities of misc@ (although it's been
| > quite quiet lately).
| > 
| > if the numbers were better, the general sentiment would
| > be rather different i believe.
| > 
| > linux is faster in many respects (just look at zaurus) so what?
| > i dont use openbsd for its speed, but on the other hand i dont
| > downplay the importance of measuring things up and comparing it
| > with the others once in a while.  i am sure speed in the end is
| > of councern, otherwise the os woudln't be in C but, whatchamacallit,
| > python.
| > 
| > some things can be measured actually quite easily: how much content
| > a web server serves (not that much without sendfile()), how do the
| > databases perform, etc, this is all benchmark in the end, and the
| > programs doing the benchmarking are actually the daemons themselves.
| > so there, everyone is benchmarking 24/7 :]
| > 
| > -f
| 
| In the end it boils down to measuring the different OS on the hardware
| you will use for the task they should fullfill, nothing else matters in
| the end.

I would say the most important thing is whether or not your solution
is up to the task you hand it. Be it with MS-DOS 3.1 or with OpenBSD,
I tend to want things to work and have enough scalability for (a bit
more than) estimated future growth.

Benchmarks are great to measure the effects of patches designed to
improve performance, not to pick the tool for the job at hand.

Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd

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Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Florian Fuessl, (Mon Sep 14, 7:31 am)
Defending OpenBSD Performance, Tom Smith, (Mon Sep 14, 10:39 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, STeve Andre', (Mon Sep 14, 10:44 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Lars Nooden, (Mon Sep 14, 10:46 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, tico, (Mon Sep 14, 11:02 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Jose Quinteiro, (Mon Sep 14, 11:02 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Marco Peereboom, (Mon Sep 14, 11:53 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Steve Shockley, (Mon Sep 14, 12:46 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Marco Peereboom, (Mon Sep 14, 12:57 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Claudio Jeker, (Mon Sep 14, 1:23 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, frantisek holop, (Mon Sep 14, 4:15 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Robert, (Mon Sep 14, 4:43 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Nick Holland, (Mon Sep 14, 5:43 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Paul de Weerd, (Mon Sep 14, 10:16 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Claudio Jeker, (Mon Sep 14, 11:41 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Mic J, (Tue Sep 15, 1:43 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, ttw+bsd, (Tue Sep 15, 1:44 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Nick Holland, (Tue Sep 15, 4:47 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Bob Beck, (Tue Sep 15, 5:35 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Henning Brauer, (Tue Sep 15, 5:39 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 15, 5:51 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Daniel Ouellet, (Tue Sep 15, 7:14 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Henning Brauer, (Tue Sep 15, 7:27 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Stephan A. Rickauer, (Tue Sep 15, 8:03 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Jordi Espasa Clofent, (Tue Sep 15, 8:07 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Henning Brauer, (Tue Sep 15, 8:38 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Henning Brauer, (Tue Sep 15, 8:39 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, frantisek holop, (Tue Sep 15, 9:28 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Daniel Ouellet, (Tue Sep 15, 10:12 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Henning Brauer, (Tue Sep 15, 10:31 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 15, 11:41 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Jacob Meuser, (Tue Sep 15, 11:46 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Bret S. Lambert, (Tue Sep 15, 11:57 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, frantisek holop, (Tue Sep 15, 1:02 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Jacob Yocom-Piatt, (Tue Sep 15, 1:39 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Bob Beck, (Tue Sep 15, 1:50 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Tue Sep 15, 1:59 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Cian Brennan, (Tue Sep 15, 2:25 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Milan Bartoš, (Tue Sep 15, 2:47 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Ted Unangst, (Tue Sep 15, 3:04 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Milan Bartoš, (Tue Sep 15, 3:08 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Bob Beck, (Tue Sep 15, 3:13 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Ted Unangst, (Tue Sep 15, 3:16 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Milan Bartoš, (Tue Sep 15, 3:21 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Aaron Glenn, (Tue Sep 15, 3:37 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Owain Ainsworth, (Tue Sep 15, 4:06 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Claudio Jeker, (Tue Sep 15, 4:11 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Claudio Jeker, (Tue Sep 15, 4:35 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Tue Sep 15, 5:03 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, frantisek holop, (Tue Sep 15, 5:09 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Travers Buda, (Tue Sep 15, 5:30 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, neal hogan, (Tue Sep 15, 6:10 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Jacob Meuser, (Tue Sep 15, 7:14 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Jacob Meuser, (Tue Sep 15, 8:01 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Bret S. Lambert, (Tue Sep 15, 9:39 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Aaron Mason, (Tue Sep 15, 9:43 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Rod Whitworth, (Tue Sep 15, 9:52 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Eric Furman, (Wed Sep 16, 12:30 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, frantisek holop, (Wed Sep 16, 5:54 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Henning Brauer, (Wed Sep 16, 7:39 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, L. V. Lammert, (Wed Sep 16, 8:03 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, - Tethys, (Wed Sep 16, 8:29 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Ross Cameron, (Wed Sep 16, 8:58 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Henning Brauer, (Wed Sep 16, 9:37 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, - Tethys, (Wed Sep 16, 9:47 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Bob Beck, (Wed Sep 16, 9:52 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Nick Bender, (Wed Sep 16, 10:01 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Daniel Ouellet, (Wed Sep 16, 10:15 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Marco Peereboom, (Wed Sep 16, 10:24 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Otto Moerbeek, (Wed Sep 16, 11:14 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez, (Wed Sep 16, 11:18 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Tom Smith, (Wed Sep 16, 11:20 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Duncan Patton a Campbell, (Wed Sep 16, 12:52 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Cian Brennan, (Wed Sep 16, 12:59 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Bret S. Lambert, (Wed Sep 16, 1:34 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Raymond Lillard, (Wed Sep 16, 1:35 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Christiano Farina Ha ..., (Wed Sep 16, 1:54 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Bob Beck, (Wed Sep 16, 1:55 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Bret S. Lambert, (Wed Sep 16, 1:59 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Wed Sep 16, 2:01 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Christiano Farina Ha ..., (Wed Sep 16, 2:08 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Marco Peereboom, (Wed Sep 16, 2:14 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Jacob Meuser, (Wed Sep 16, 2:52 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Wed Sep 16, 2:56 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Wed Sep 16, 2:57 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Wed Sep 16, 2:57 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Daniel Bolgheroni, (Wed Sep 16, 2:59 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Dag Richards, (Wed Sep 16, 3:07 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Jacob Meuser, (Wed Sep 16, 3:42 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, armpit, (Wed Sep 16, 3:56 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Maurice Janssen, (Wed Sep 16, 4:00 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Wed Sep 16, 4:14 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Jacob Meuser, (Wed Sep 16, 4:55 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Bob Beck, (Wed Sep 16, 6:15 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Wed Sep 16, 6:39 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Amarendra Godbole, (Wed Sep 16, 6:52 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Carson Harding, (Wed Sep 16, 8:48 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Bret S. Lambert, (Wed Sep 16, 9:41 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Jacob Meuser, (Wed Sep 16, 10:11 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Artur Grabowski, (Thu Sep 17, 12:56 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Cian Brennan, (Thu Sep 17, 1:19 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Stephan A. Rickauer, (Thu Sep 17, 2:43 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, frantisek holop, (Thu Sep 17, 5:00 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Marco Peereboom, (Thu Sep 17, 5:03 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Kenneth R Westerback, (Thu Sep 17, 5:05 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Kenneth R Westerback, (Thu Sep 17, 5:15 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Christiano Farina Ha ..., (Thu Sep 17, 5:26 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Christiano Farina Ha ..., (Thu Sep 17, 5:32 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Janne Johansson, (Thu Sep 17, 6:00 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Thu Sep 17, 1:35 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Thu Sep 17, 1:36 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Fred Crowson, (Thu Sep 17, 2:36 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Jacob Meuser, (Thu Sep 17, 3:08 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Thu Sep 17, 4:59 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Thu Sep 17, 4:59 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Paul M, (Thu Sep 17, 6:59 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Alexandre Ratchov, (Fri Sep 18, 6:33 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Alexandre Ratchov, (Fri Sep 18, 7:09 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Fri Sep 18, 1:13 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, 4625, (Fri Sep 18, 2:28 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Jacob Meuser, (Fri Sep 18, 3:30 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Alexandre Ratchov, (Fri Sep 18, 3:43 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, bofh, (Fri Sep 18, 3:48 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Bryan Irvine, (Fri Sep 18, 4:36 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Buzzer, (Fri Sep 18, 5:14 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Buzzer, (Fri Sep 18, 5:16 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, jean-francois, (Tue Sep 22, 4:04 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, neal hogan, (Tue Sep 22, 5:02 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, armpit, (Wed Sep 23, 11:29 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Tom Smith, (Wed Sep 23, 6:21 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, neal hogan, (Wed Sep 23, 7:33 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Nick Holland, (Wed Sep 23, 7:54 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Bryan Irvine, (Wed Sep 23, 11:38 pm)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Aioanei Rares, (Thu Sep 24, 8:32 am)
Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance, Buzzer, (Thu Sep 24, 1:27 pm)