Two developers who wanted to contribute to the funeral did not have a
credit card and asked me if they could wire the money to the IBAN
account I then forwarded the money with my credit card towards the
paypal account
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Bob Beck <beck@openbsd.org> wrote:
quoted text > Speaking of donation money,
>
> reading
http://accounting.kd85.com/
>
> We see this mentioned:
>
> "some went to funeral costs (Itojun)."
>
> Why would money that was directed to go to the OpenBSD project be
> used for this? especially when at the time it was made pretty clear that
> it should not be.
>
> We (the developers) at the time certainly SENT money for a friend.
>
> But at the time I objected to using OpenBSD money or a donation
> account for this. We wanted it completely clear that the money we were
> sending was coming from us personally, in memory of a super great guy
> and as a token of respect to his family. At the time, both Myself and
> Theo objected to this, stating it was not fair to use money donated to
> fund the project for this. The money had to come from us personally.
>
> So. How much donation money was sent for Itojuns funeral, and in
this
quoted text > case was it "donation" money for openbsd, or was this money from the
> developers:
>
> The email exchange about this at the time is below, when I expressed
> my concern about mixing up donations to OpenBSD with money being sent
> from a developer to a friend. Wim's answer to this was terse and rude
> and basically that I "did not understand accounting in europe", and to
> "shut the fuck up because I did not understand banking". Then it goes
> on to mention that "personal money" was being put up to "front" this?
>
> So, what was it? Money from developers sent for a friend that had
> nothing to do with OpenBSD? Money from OpenBSD donations? or "personal
> money from wim?" - since OpenBSD donations weren't supposed to go to this
why
quoted text > is this now mentioned here?
>
> Stranger and stranger.
>
> -Bob
>
> -----------------------------8<-------------------------
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:10:37 -0700
> From: Bob Beck <beck>
> To: Marco Peereboom <marco@peereboom.us>,
hackers@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards.
> Message-ID: <20071105231037.GK215@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>
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> Ok, here's the deal.
>
> Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan.
>
> We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family.
>
> based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would
> suggest as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that
> is fine too.
>
> Send your bit by paypal to
mcbride@countersiege.com
>
> If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate
> with them. this will be easiest on short notice.
>
> I've already sent mine.
>
>
> * Bob Beck <beck@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]:
>>
>> Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details.
>> I will let you all know.
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>>
>> * Marco Peereboom <marco@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]:
>> > How and where do we send money to?
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>> > >
>> > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral
>> > > on Nov 7.
>> > >
>> > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with a
>> > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the
>> > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet) Ryan
>> > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower
>> > > arrangements from OpenBSD.
>> > >
>> > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun
>> > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for
>> > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again
>> > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads
>> > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details
>> > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has
>> > > talked to a few people about what is proper.
>> > >
>> > > -Bob
>> >
>>
>> --
>> #!/usr/bin/perl
>> if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
>> print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
>> }
>>
>
> --
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
> print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
> }
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> From: Wim Vandeputte <wim@kd85.com>
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> Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards.
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>
> for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account
> and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account
>
> IBAN BE93737017743767
> BIC KREDBEBB
>
> Name: OpenBSD
> Address: Oostveld Kouter 13
> 9920 Lovendegem
> Belgium
>
> mail me when you do
>
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>> Ok, here's the deal.
>>
>> Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan.
>>
>> We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family.
>>
>> based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would
>> suggest as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that
>> is fine too.
>>
>> Send your bit by paypal to
mcbride@countersiege.com
>>
>> If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate
>> with them. this will be easiest on short notice.
>>
>> I've already sent mine.
>>
>>
>> * Bob Beck <beck@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]:
>> >
>> > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details.
>> > I will let you all know.
>> >
>> > -Bob
>> >
>> >
>> > * Marco Peereboom <marco@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]:
>> > > How and where do we send money to?
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral
>> > > > on Nov 7.
>> > > >
>> > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with
a
quoted text >> > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the
>> > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet)
Ryan
quoted text >> > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower
>> > > > arrangements from OpenBSD.
>> > > >
>> > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun
>> > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for
>> > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again
>> > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads
>> > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details
>> > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has
>> > > > talked to a few people about what is proper.
>> > > >
>> > > > -Bob
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> > #!/usr/bin/perl
>> > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
>> > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
>> > }
>> >
>>
>> --
>> #!/usr/bin/perl
>> if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
>> print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
>> }
>
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
https://kd85.com/notforsale.html
>
--
quoted text >
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:11:05 -0700
> From: Bob Beck <beck>
> To: Wim Vandeputte <wim@kd85.com>
> Cc:
hackers@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards.
> Message-ID: <20071106001105.GN215@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>
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>
> Wim, why complicate matters. Is this what I just asked people to do?
>
> Now we're going to mix OpenBSD developers giving personal
> money to something for a friend, with money that is recieved for OpenBSD?
>
> Guys, this is doing something for a friend, it is not donations
> for openbsd. Please just paypal ryan directly.
>
> -Bob
>
>
> * Wim Vandeputte <wim@kd85.com> [2007-11-05 16:25]:
>>
>> for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account
>> and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account
>>
>> IBAN BE93737017743767
>> BIC KREDBEBB
>>
>> Name: OpenBSD
>> Address: Oostveld Kouter 13
>> 9920 Lovendegem
>> Belgium
>>
>> mail me when you do
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>> > Ok, here's the deal.
>> >
>> > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan.
>> >
>> > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family.
>> >
>> > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would
>> > suggest as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that
>> > is fine too.
>> >
>> > Send your bit by paypal to
mcbride@countersiege.com
>> >
>> > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate
>> > with them. this will be easiest on short notice.
>> >
>> > I've already sent mine.
>> >
>> >
>> > * Bob Beck <beck@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]:
>> > >
>> > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details.
>> > > I will let you all know.
>> > >
>> > > -Bob
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > * Marco Peereboom <marco@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]:
>> > > > How and where do we send money to?
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral
>> > > > > on Nov 7.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with
a
quoted text >> > > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the
>> > > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet)
Ryan
quoted text >> > > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower
>> > > > > arrangements from OpenBSD.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun
>> > > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for
>> > > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again
>> > > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads
>> > > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details
>> > > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has
>> > > > > talked to a few people about what is proper.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -Bob
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > #!/usr/bin/perl
>> > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
>> > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
>> > > }
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> > #!/usr/bin/perl
>> > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
>> > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
>> > }
>>
>> --
>>
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
quoted text >>
https://kd85.com/notforsale.html
quoted text >>
--
quoted text >>
>
> --
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
> print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
> }
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:16:00 -0700
> From: Bob Beck <beck>
> To: Wim Vandeputte <wim@kd85.com>
> Bcc:
mcbride@openbsd.org ,
deraadt@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards.
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>
> You screwing around waiting for a lump sum means ryan
> can't judge how much has come in. Will you please stop sticking your
> nose into this? Please encourage people to just send the money to
> ryan directly, instead of having ryan wait for you. Unless you are
> talking to ryan about this, please stop doing this. you are just
> making everyone's life difficult for this. Please tell people to
> paypal ryan directly. There is no need to mix *donation* money for
> openbsd with *personal* money from a developer to another developer.
>
> -Bob
>
> * Wim Vandeputte <wim@kd85.com> [2007-11-05 16:25]:
>>
>> for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account
>> and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account
>>
>> IBAN BE93737017743767
>> BIC KREDBEBB
>>
>> Name: OpenBSD
>> Address: Oostveld Kouter 13
>> 9920 Lovendegem
>> Belgium
>>
>> mail me when you do
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>> > Ok, here's the deal.
>> >
>> > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan.
>> >
>> > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family.
>> >
>> > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would
>> > suggest as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to, that
>> > is fine too.
>> >
>> > Send your bit by paypal to
mcbride@countersiege.com
>> >
>> > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate
>> > with them. this will be easiest on short notice.
>> >
>> > I've already sent mine.
>> >
>> >
>> > * Bob Beck <beck@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]:
>> > >
>> > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details.
>> > > I will let you all know.
>> > >
>> > > -Bob
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > * Marco Peereboom <marco@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]:
>> > > > How and where do we send money to?
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral
>> > > > > on Nov 7.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with
a
quoted text >> > > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for the
>> > > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet)
Ryan
quoted text >> > > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower
>> > > > > arrangements from OpenBSD.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun
>> > > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for
>> > > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again
>> > > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a heads
>> > > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full details
>> > > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has
>> > > > > talked to a few people about what is proper.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -Bob
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > #!/usr/bin/perl
>> > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
>> > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
>> > > }
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> > #!/usr/bin/perl
>> > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
>> > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
>> > }
>>
>> --
>>
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
quoted text >>
https://kd85.com/notforsale.html
quoted text >>
--
quoted text >>
>
> --
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
> print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
> }
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> you completly don't understand banking in Europe.
>
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 05:11:05PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>>
>> Wim, why complicate matters. Is this what I just asked people to do?
>>
>> Now we're going to mix OpenBSD developers giving personal
>> money to something for a friend, with money that is recieved for OpenBSD?
>>
>> Guys, this is doing something for a friend, it is not donations
>> for openbsd. Please just paypal ryan directly.
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>>
>> * Wim Vandeputte <wim@kd85.com> [2007-11-05 16:25]:
>> >
>> > for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account
>> > and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account
>> >
>> > IBAN BE93737017743767
>> > BIC KREDBEBB
>> >
>> > Name: OpenBSD
>> > Address: Oostveld Kouter 13
>> > 9920 Lovendegem
>> > Belgium
>> >
>> > mail me when you do
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>> > > Ok, here's the deal.
>> > >
>> > > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan.
>> > >
>> > > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family.
>> > >
>> > > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would
>> > > suggest as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to,
that
quoted text >> > > is fine too.
>> > >
>> > > Send your bit by paypal to
mcbride@countersiege.com
>> > >
>> > > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate
>> > > with them. this will be easiest on short notice.
>> > >
>> > > I've already sent mine.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > * Bob Beck <beck@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]:
>> > > >
>> > > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details.
>> > > > I will let you all know.
>> > > >
>> > > > -Bob
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > * Marco Peereboom <marco@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]:
>> > > > > How and where do we send money to?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral
>> > > > > > on Nov 7.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with
a
quoted text >> > > > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for
the
quoted text >> > > > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet)
Ryan
quoted text >> > > > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower
>> > > > > > arrangements from OpenBSD.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun
>> > > > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for
>> > > > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again
>> > > > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a
heads
quoted text >> > > > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full
details
quoted text >> > > > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has
>> > > > > > talked to a few people about what is proper.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > -Bob
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > #!/usr/bin/perl
>> > > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
>> > > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
>> > > > }
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > #!/usr/bin/perl
>> > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
>> > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
>> > > }
>> >
>> > --
>> >
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
quoted text >> >
https://kd85.com/notforsale.html
quoted text >> >
--
quoted text >> >
>>
>> --
>> #!/usr/bin/perl
>> if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
>> print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
>> }
>
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
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>
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> To: Bob Beck <beck@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>
> Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards.
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>
> Bob,
>
> if you don't understand accounting in Europe, just shut the fuck up.
>
> I just offered to pre-fund those payments from Europe, if you don't
appreciate
quoted text > me putting up my personal money to pay this, then just medle it in , just
> say so
>
> k
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 05:16:00PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>>
>> You screwing around waiting for a lump sum means ryan
>> can't judge how much has come in. Will you please stop sticking your
>> nose into this? Please encourage people to just send the money to
>> ryan directly, instead of having ryan wait for you. Unless you are
>> talking to ryan about this, please stop doing this. you are just
>> making everyone's life difficult for this. Please tell people to
>> paypal ryan directly. There is no need to mix *donation* money for
>> openbsd with *personal* money from a developer to another developer.
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>> * Wim Vandeputte <wim@kd85.com> [2007-11-05 16:25]:
>> >
>> > for those in the Euro Zone, just wire the EUR 15 to the donation account
>> > and I'll transfer the lump sum to the paypall account
>> >
>> > IBAN BE93737017743767
>> > BIC KREDBEBB
>> >
>> > Name: OpenBSD
>> > Address: Oostveld Kouter 13
>> > 9920 Lovendegem
>> > Belgium
>> >
>> > mail me when you do
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:10:37PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>> > > Ok, here's the deal.
>> > >
>> > > Ryan is dealing with the show on the ground in japan.
>> > >
>> > > We will be sending flowers and condolence money to the family.
>> > >
>> > > based upon the number of people expresssing interest, I would
>> > > suggest as a minimum. if you can afford more and would like to,
that
quoted text >> > > is fine too.
>> > >
>> > > Send your bit by paypal to
mcbride@countersiege.com
>> > >
>> > > If you don't have paypal, find someone who does and coordinate
>> > > with them. this will be easiest on short notice.
>> > >
>> > > I've already sent mine.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > * Bob Beck <beck@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca> [2007-11-05 09:51]:
>> > > >
>> > > > Please be patient. I am attempting to finalize details.
>> > > > I will let you all know.
>> > > >
>> > > > -Bob
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > * Marco Peereboom <marco@peereboom.us> [2007-11-05 07:38]:
>> > > > > How and where do we send money to?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > As some of you know, Theo is going to Itojun's funeral
>> > > > > > on Nov 7.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The tradition in Japan is that friends may send flowers with
a
quoted text >> > > > > > message, and the tradition is also to collect an offering for
the
quoted text >> > > > > > family. (funerals in japan are the most expensive on the planet)
Ryan
quoted text >> > > > > > Mcbride has done the legwork for us in getting together 6 flower
>> > > > > > arrangements from OpenBSD.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I imagine some of you who knew and worked with itojun
>> > > > > > may be interested in contributing - we might be asking for
>> > > > > > in the neighborhood of 20 dollars or whatever. I will post again
>> > > > > > soon with more details as I find them, this is mainly just a
heads
quoted text >> > > > > > up, and a find out how many of you may be interested. Full
details
quoted text >> > > > > > will likely wait until theo is on the ground in japan and has
>> > > > > > talked to a few people about what is proper.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > -Bob
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > #!/usr/bin/perl
>> > > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
>> > > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
>> > > > }
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > #!/usr/bin/perl
>> > > if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
>> > > print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
>> > > }
>> >
>> > --
>> >
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
quoted text >> >
https://kd85.com/notforsale.html
quoted text >> >
--
quoted text >> >
>>
>> --
>> #!/usr/bin/perl
>> if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
>> print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
>> }
>
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> From: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org>
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> To:
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>
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> Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards.
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>
> I have no idea what this is about.
>
> Bob just suggested that people find a way to send small amounts to
> Ryan's account, for flowers that are already prepaid. total he needs
> is just about 300 more, since Bob and I already covered the rest.
>
> It's just to be nice to itojun's family because japanese funerals
> are expensive; we're doing it to fit into the japanese way of doing
> the honourable thing at a funeral.
>
> and now it has anger and yelling involved. I don't understand this at
> all.
>
> I really don't know at all where this is coming from.
>
> I'm here to honour itojun, so I don't know why any kind of fighting like
> this has to happen now.
>
> I think Bob layed out a very simple way so that a few poeple could do this.
> Ryan just needs to not go broke living in an expensive place..
>
> but this stuff should stay seperate from donations; it is not right to mix
> it into that. It's not what itojun would have wanted, I think.
>
> We should let people do this in the simplest way
>
> Oh you should see how openbsd and cheo de raadto look in kanji.......
>
> >From
wvdputte@kd85.com Mon Nov 5 17:52:58 2007
>>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:52:47 +0100
>>From: Wim Vandeputte <wim@kd85.com>
>>To: Bob Beck <beck@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>,
deraadt@openbsd.org ,
>>
austin@openbsd.org
>>Subject: Re: Itojun, and sending our regards.
>>References: <20071104174010.GD26553@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>
<20071105141949.GD22330@peereboom.us>
<20071105164717.GA30862@bofh.cns.ualberta.ca>
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>>
>>Wel,
>>
>>if it's going to be like this kind of crap then consider me out of the
>>picture for the next 30 days for wherever you guys had planned
>>
>>
>>I just volountered to cough up on my personal account whatever
>>had to be paid for project and expenses for the funeral but if it's not
>>appreceated, I can take my fund somewhere else where they are needed, like
>>paying of goverment debts on my side... there is plenty of that to go
>>around anyways
>>
>>Don't count on my for the next month to pay any bills then or show up
>>at hitlercon 2007
>>
>>bye, see you in 2008
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 05:46:51PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > wtf if wrong with you
>>>
>>> hey. you're the one who left icb in a huff, and then
>>> told me to fuck off.
>>>
>>>
>>> > Why do I even have to take this kindf of abuse from you?
>>>
>>> Hey, you tell me to fuck off, I'm going give as good
>>> as I get.
>>>
>>> -Bob
>>
>>--
>>
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
quoted text >>
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>
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
> --
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> if ((not 0 && not 1) != (! 0 && ! 1)) {
> print "Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n";
> }
