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| Dec 10, 4:47 pm 2009 |
| Geoff | Re: asynchronous I/O
Long ago I worked in the kernel of a BSD which supported async (disk) I/O.
The internals did use a kernel thread for queueing and reporting.
There was one per process using AIO because it made life simpler:
each page which was mentioned in AIO had to be pinned,
and "blaming" that on the AIO thread was easy.
similarly, there was "someone to talk to" when the I/O completed.
Useful? It made architecting correct replacements for thread-using
catastrophes -much- easier. Implement a work ...
| Dec 10, 2:23 pm 2009 |
| Fred Crowson | Re: ioctl error
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=symon+system+monitor
might be a good start...
| Dec 10, 1:47 pm 2009 |
| Ismail OZATAY | ioctl error
Hi all ,
Today my openbsd server started to send some errors to syslog that i
could not find anything about this error.
symon: if(mtd0) failed (ioctl error)
what does it mean ?
Regards
ismail
| Dec 10, 12:31 pm 2009 |
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| Dec 10, 4:28 am 2009 |
| Stuart Henderson | Re: pf and fragmented IPv6 packets
the workaround is to reduce the MTU, or for TCP you can use scrub max-mss
(1220 is a safe value to clamp MSS to; this equates to MTU 1280, which all
IPv6 hosts are required to handle).
as for plans, well it would be useful, but I think it basically comes down
to somebody needing it badly enough that they either do the work themselves,
some firewalls *may* just be enforcing policy on the first fragment and
letting the subsequent fragments through without checking them, in which
case they ...
| Dec 10, 4:36 am 2009 |
| Stuart Henderson | Re: PF: Help with a very simple bandwidth capping using hfsc
and this "works" because you're throttling the acks, so the sender slows down.
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| Todd T. Fries | Re: pf and fragmented IPv6 packets
Penned by Jonas Thambert on 20091210 9:39.33, we have:
| Like a month ago we got a complain from a user that our website
| was unreachable over IPv6. We have 2x Native Ipv6 transits. The user
| had bought IPv6 from an ISP thay uses tunneling to deliver it
| to the organization. After some packet traces we found out that the
| problem was in PF and that it doesn't seem to handle fragmented IPv6
| packets.
|
| Sure enough, from the man page of pf.conf:
|
| "Currently, only IPv4 fragments are ...
| Dec 10, 8:59 am 2009 |
| Jonas Thambert | pf and fragmented IPv6 packets
Like a month ago we got a complain from a user that our website
was unreachable over IPv6. We have 2x Native Ipv6 transits. The user
had bought IPv6 from an ISP thay uses tunneling to deliver it
to the organization. After some packet traces we found out that the
problem was in PF and that it doesn't seem to handle fragmented IPv6
packets.
Sure enough, from the man page of pf.conf:
"Currently, only IPv4 fragments are supported and IPv6 fragments are
blocked unconditionally."
The problem ...
| Dec 10, 1:39 am 2009 |
| Rod Whitworth | Re: pf and fragmented IPv6 packets
I have an IPv6 over IPv4 connection. I once had two, one using a hexago
tunnel and the other I still have using a Hurricane Electric one.
I have never had a problem connecting through OpenBSD with a pf
firewall to native IPv6 sites like Google's v6 or the hosts on the /32
IPv6 netblock I maintain using an OpenBSD / OpenBGPd router.
Maybe I'm just lucky. I'm a bit confused as to why packets need to be
fragmented on IPv6 other than to play DDOS games. Nobody needs packets
bigger than the ...
| Dec 10, 3:11 am 2009 |
| Jonas Thambert | Re: pf and fragmented IPv6 packets
Thanks Rod for your input. We use pf as a firewall, and when we get the
users IPv6 packets they are already fragmented. Native IPv6 and Terredo
tunnels does not get fragmented on the way to us.
I will read up on your links ;)
--
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Swedish IT Incident Centre, GovCERT-SE AS41884
National Post and Telecom Agency
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| Dec 10, 3:39 am 2009 |
| Tobias Ulmer | Re: DRI not loading on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500/M7 (4.6- ...
Are you in the wheel group? See permissions of /dev/drm0
| Dec 10, 1:58 am 2009 |
| Owain Ainsworth | Re: DRI not loading on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500/M7 (4.6- ...
Well it's true, we don't attach to your agp bus.
Try Option "BusType" "PCI" in the driver section of your Xorg.conf. It's
been a while so i can't remember if that'll work in this case.
-0-
--
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really care to know.
| Dec 10, 8:00 am 2009 |
| Anders Langworthy | DRI not loading on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500/M7 (4.6-RELEASE)
According to radeon(4), my ATI Radeon Mobility 7500/M7 is supported by
the driver but as far as I can tell DRI is not loading properly when I
start X. X seems to work well enough besides 3D performance, which is
dreadful. An incriminating bit seems to be here:
...
(II) RADEON(0): initializing int10
(II) RADEON(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
(II) RADEON(0): Legacy BIOS detected
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/drm0
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Operation not ...
| Dec 10, 1:36 am 2009 |
| Owain Ainsworth | Re: DRI not loading on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500/M7 (4.6- ...
You're welcome.
please send me a pcidump -vxx from that machine and i'll see if i can
find information on that agp bridge to whip up a driver.
-0-
--
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it took seven others to beat him!
| Dec 10, 9:01 am 2009 |
| Anders Langworthy | Re: DRI not loading on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500/M7 (4.6- ...
Thanks for the reply. Yep, though there was apparently a more serious issue:
# ls -la /dev/drm0
ls: /dev/drm0: No such file or directory
# cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV all && ls -la /dev/drm0
crw-rw---- 1 root wheel 88, 0 Dec 10 09:17 /dev/drm0
I have no idea why that was missing. I would not have deleted it.
Closer, but now this:
...
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] installed DRM signal handler
(WW) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP not available
(EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the ...
| Dec 10, 7:47 am 2009 |
| Anders Langworthy | Re: DRI not loading on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500/M7 (4.6- ...
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Owain Ainsworth <zerooa@googlemail.com>
Perfect, thanks! You are a beautiful human being and let it never be
said that your work goes unappreciated.
Thanks Tobias too :)
Cheers,
Anders.
| Dec 10, 8:20 am 2009 |
| Jimmi | Installation freeze after "rd0 fixed 3800 blocks"
Hi everybody,
I would like to install OpenBSD 4.6 on a Compaq AP550 Server with two HD SCSI.
I burned the 'install46.iso' image, but the installation always freeze
after the message: "rd0 fixed 3800 blocks".
I tested the CD on my laptop and the installation goes ahead smoothly.
I found several references to the same problem on the web on Dell and
HP machines, but no one pointing to a specific problem. I read that it
could be something related to the discs, therefore today I will try ...
| Dec 9, 10:52 pm 2009 |
| Jimmi | Re: Installation freeze after "rd0 fixed 3800 blocks"
Ok, the workaround I found was, at boot:
boot -c
ukc> disable acpi
ukc> quit
Thanks :)
--
Jimmi
| Dec 10, 12:06 pm 2009 |
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| Dec 9, 11:31 pm 2009 |
| Aaron Mason | Warning for gmail users on this list
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| Dec 9, 11:03 pm 2009 |
| Nick Guenther | Naming FFS volumes?
I know that a filesystem in unix just exists wherever it exists (i.e.
it's 'identity' is its mountpoint), but I find it extremely handy with
ext* and FAT filesystems to be able to give every volume its own name.
I was just living with not being able to do this on OpenBSD, just
discovered dumpfs(8) and noticed a "volname" property snuck in at the
end. It doesn't seem like newfs(8) or tunefs(8) let me set this at
all, but (and you may find this vain) is there any secret tool that
lets me edit ...
| Dec 9, 7:10 pm 2009 |
| Corey J. Bukolt | Re: wl54ag wifi card errors with "cardbus support disabled"
Ahhh, okay.
Since the laptop is useless without wifi, might as well give -current a
shot.
Thanks.
| Dec 9, 5:25 pm 2009 |
| Robert | Re: power button suspends netbook instead of shutdown
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:18:36 +0100
dmesg of whatever openbsd version you are running atm might help.
- Robert
| Dec 9, 5:30 pm 2009 |
| frantisek holop | Re: power button suspends netbook instead of shutdown
yes, that is true. but,
1) my notebook so far didn't roast the keyboard when i closed the lid
2) "closing the lid" does not necessarily mean all the way down. the
event is registered way before the lid is actually on the kbd.
on this netbook, this is around 25-35 degrees. and closing it
if there is a knob, i don't mind really what is the "should" be.
fair enough. perhaps it is. if i did not want stuff being actively
worked on, i should use stable. and if there were more ...
| Dec 10, 3:10 pm 2009 |
| frantisek holop | power button suspends netbook instead of shutdown
hi there,
a couple of days ago, after seeing the cvs commit
for initiating suspend upon closing the lid,
i have asked to question how to revert this, as
i fairly often close the lid but prefer no action
taken. as my netbook dies a horrible death
on wakeup (and possibly at suspend itself) the change
was very counterproductive, me forgetting all the
time i can't close the lid.
so theo later committed that closing the lid does nothing
so far. a sensible thing i think. but now if i press ...
| Dec 9, 5:18 pm 2009 |
| frantisek holop | Re: power button suspends netbook instead of shutdown
i wish i could agree with this, but my netbook's proper
shutdown and reboot ratio is more like 50%.
(and that includes -stable as well)
ctrl+alt+esc
boot reboot
is more like it.
-f
--
when all think alike, then no one is thinking.
| Dec 10, 3:20 pm 2009 |
| Robert | Re: power button suspends netbook instead of shutdown
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:19:14 +0100
Kinda,
look at changes to those drivers since the last hackathon,
should have been clear from your ref to eeeeeeeeeepc...
If you rip/comment out the relevant lines from acpibtn the event won't
be registered by acpi and you should get your wished behaviour.
Btw, to shutdown just type: 'sudo halt -p' that will even work with
generic.
Closing the lid on a running notebook is a bad idea, because a lot of
heat will be capture under the closed screen that ...
| Dec 9, 8:23 pm 2009 |
| frantisek holop | Re: power button suspends netbook instead of shutdown
yes, sorry, i did not send it because i thought this might
have been a more generic kind of a change not dependent
on hw.
OpenBSD 4.6-current (GENERIC) #447: Fri Dec 4 22:50:41 MST 2009
deraadt@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 631 MHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,TM,SBF
real mem = 527527936 (503MB)
avail mem = ...
| Dec 9, 7:19 pm 2009 |
| Corey J. Bukolt | Re: wl54ag wifi card errors with "cardbus support disabled"
Yup, it should definitely be more fun. :)
Thanks for all the help.
~Corey
| Dec 9, 9:11 pm 2009 |
| Robert | Re: wl54ag wifi card errors with "cardbus support disabled"
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:05:46 -0600
a full dmesg with the insert event of the card in question sent to the
list might help.
- Robert
| Dec 9, 5:27 pm 2009 |
| Corey J. Bukolt | wl54ag wifi card errors with "cardbus support disabled"
Hi list.
I have OpenBSD 4.6 GENERIC on my Acer laptop and can't seem to get my
NEC Aterm wl54ag pcmcia wfi card to work. The chipset is AR5212, which
_should_ be supported by the ath driver.
However, when I insert the card it isn't detected and dmesg spits out
"cardslot0: cardbus support disabled".
If I stick in a prism based card the wi driver picks it up without issue
so the slot is good, and I tested the NEC card under linux, so its also
good.
I'm no OpenBSD expert, but perhaps the ath ...
| Dec 9, 5:05 pm 2009 |
| Robert | Re: wl54ag wifi card errors with "cardbus support disabled"
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:18:35 -0600
Can't think of anything right now, looks to be your hardware.
Worst case you will have to use another wireless card, because your pcb
the chip is soldered to does something funny.
You wont regret to run snapshots/-current, it's much more fun than
-stable. :)
- Robert
| Dec 9, 8:28 pm 2009 |
| Corey J. Bukolt | Re: wl54ag wifi card errors with "cardbus support disabled"
It's an AMIBIOS from 2000, and its pretty rudimentary.
I couldn't find anything related to CardBus.
| Dec 9, 5:44 pm 2009 |
| Corey J. Bukolt | Re: wl54ag wifi card errors with "cardbus support disabled"
Okay, I gave that a try, only now my system hangs during boot, as soon
as it starts to detect the pcmcia slot.
This happens even if I boot without the card.
Here are the last few lines of output:
pcmcia0 at cardslot0
uvm_fault(0xd088cfc0, 0x9097c000, 0, 1) -> e
kernel: page fault trap, code=0
stopped at Xintr_IOapic2+0x35: Mov( apic_maxlevel(,%eax, 4), %ebx
ddb>
and it gets stranger.
If I press a key, the following repeats over a few times, and then the
system locks up entirely.
ddb> ...
| Dec 9, 6:55 pm 2009 |
| Robert | Re: wl54ag wifi card errors with "cardbus support disabled"
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:55:44 -0600
Ok, my bad.
At the boot prompt:
boot -c bsd
disable apm
enable acpi
quit
Sorry.
- Robert
| Dec 9, 7:12 pm 2009 |
| Daniel Melameth | Re: wl54ag wifi card errors with "cardbus support disabled"
Try enabling CardBus in your BIOS...
| Dec 9, 5:26 pm 2009 |
| Corey J. Bukolt | Re: wl54ag wifi card errors with "cardbus support disabled"
It's all good.
Any other last minute ideas before I give -current a shot?
| Dec 9, 7:18 pm 2009 |
| Robert | Re: wl54ag wifi card errors with "cardbus support disabled"
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:38:20 -0600
That's a boot with the card inserted?
I guess not by the message at the end of the dmesg.
You could try to disable acpi and run with apm.
(Normally it is the other way around, so don't get your hopes up.)
# sudo config -ef /bsd
disable acpi
enable apm
quit
# sudo reboot
- Robert
| Dec 9, 6:16 pm 2009 |
| Corey J. Bukolt | Re: wl54ag wifi card errors with "cardbus support disabled"
Okay, got the system back to booting after I RTFM'd boot(8)and
boot_config(8).
Sorry, for asking questions before checking the man pages, bad linux
user habit.....
| Dec 9, 7:06 pm 2009 |
| Corey J. Bukolt | Re: wl54ag wifi card errors with "cardbus support disabled"
OpenBSD 4.6 (GENERIC) #58: Thu Jul 9 21:24:42 MDT 2009
deraadt@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 2.40 GHz
cpu0:
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,CNXT-ID
real mem = 536375296 (511MB)
avail mem = 509837312 (486MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 01/25/03, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdae0,
SMBIOS rev. ...
| Dec 9, 5:38 pm 2009 |
| SJP Lists | Re: Looking for "Secure Architectures with OpenBSD" pdf.
You can have this for free, along with the software!...
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=pf.conf
What a bargain.
| Dec 9, 7:55 pm 2009 |
| Tomas Bodzar | Re: Looking for "Secure Architectures with OpenBSD" pdf.
Yea I know, but that script kittie was looking for this one
http://www.informit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0321193660 . Man pages
aren't on Rapidshare so he can't use them :-D
| Dec 10, 12:18 am 2009 |
| Gilles Chehade | Re: Looking for "Secure Architectures with OpenBSD" pdf.
"Why you so ugly" actually was funny :-)
Gilles
| Dec 10, 7:09 am 2009 |
| Bret Lambert | Re: Looking for "Secure Architectures with OpenBSD" pdf.
Awesome; another aggravating, whiny, entitled jackass.
You'll fit right in on the internet; the kool-aid's to the left.
| Dec 10, 6:56 am 2009 |
| FRLinux | Re: Looking for "Secure Architectures with OpenBSD" pdf.
Thanks for that, was unaware of that book. Just ordered my copy now :)
Steph
| Dec 10, 10:44 am 2009 |
| Nick Guenther | Re: Looking for "Secure Architectures with OpenBSD" pdf.
Truly we have the markings of a gentleman *and* a scholar here.
| Dec 10, 7:00 am 2009 |
| Peter N. M. Hansteen | Re: Looking for "Secure Architectures with OpenBSD" pdf.
I'm almost certain this one turned up as a relevant title in one of my
safaribooks.com searches recently, so it's conceivable you could
download or piece together a PDF from there.
Other than that, well, even though the paper version has been out a
while I don't think any freely redistributable electronic version is
available.
- Peter
--
Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team
http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/
"Remember to ...
| Dec 10, 1:17 am 2009 |
| FRLinux | Re: Looking for "Secure Architectures with OpenBSD" pdf.
Yes, did notice the book was a few years back but the content seems
unlikely to be deprecated that fast. I do own books about PF listed on
the same page and believe that one will be a welcome addition to my
collection.
Steph
| Dec 10, 2:07 pm 2009 |
| Henry Sieff | Re: Looking for "Secure Architectures with OpenBSD" pdf.
Not sure about the other authors, but I remember Nazario from the
FW-WIZ list and he knows his stuff very well. Its probably a pretty
good book, aside from being 5 years old and so not being as current as
the documentation and all that.
| Dec 10, 11:24 am 2009 |
| jackwssp q | Re: Looking for "Secure Architectures with OpenBSD" pdf.
2 Tomas Bodzar:
Why you so ugly? I don't looking for pf manual. As you can see above, i'm
not alone. When i got it, will share it for all on misc@, and you may
furiously try to stop me.
| Dec 10, 6:47 am 2009 |
| Tomas Bodzar | Re: Looking for "Secure Architectures with OpenBSD" pdf.
http://www.openbsd.org/books.html#book3
http://catalog.ebay.com/Secure-Architectures-OpenBSD-Brandon-Palmer-Jose-Nazario-2004-...
This is not Linux. If you want to steal something then do it by your
self. Don't ask others for help. If this book will not be really
available then maybe there will be chance to have it directly from
author for somewhat free. But as you can see from my links this ...
| Dec 10, 7:03 am 2009 |
| Peter N. M. Hansteen | Re: Looking for "Secure Architectures with OpenBSD" pdf.
I take it your ccing me on that message means you think I was looking
for a copy too. In fact I bought one when the book was relatively new
and enjoyed it, and I don't think that distributing people's work
without their permission is a good idea.
I *do* however recommend using online distribution such as safaribooks
(most of the interesting publishers put their stuff up there) - I
turned to that when I ran out of shelf space, and to my mind the
subscription is worth the price and more.
- ...
| Dec 10, 12:47 pm 2009 |
| Todd T. Fries | Re: Looking for "Secure Architectures with OpenBSD" pdf.
Penned by Henry Sieff on 20091210 12:24.37, we have:
| On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM, FRLinux <frlinux@gmail.com> wrote:
| > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Tomas Bodzar <tomas.bodzar@gmail.com> wrote:
| >> http://www.openbsd.org/books.html#book3
| >
| > Thanks for that, was unaware of that book. Just ordered my copy now :)
|
| Not sure about the other authors, but I remember Nazario from the
| FW-WIZ list and he knows his stuff very well. Its probably a pretty
| good book, aside from ...
| Dec 10, 11:56 am 2009 |
| nixlists | Re: SMP
Linux?
| Dec 9, 5:18 pm 2009 |
| nixlists | Re: SMP
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Daniel Gracia Garallar
IMHO I hope OpenBSD doesn't use locks at all in the future taking
FreeBSD's lesson, but does
something what Dragonfly does - LWKT with message passing synchronisation.
http://www.dcbsdcon.org/speakers/slides/luciani_dcbsdcon2009.pdf
The fine-grained locking in FreeBSD is quite a crikey mess.
| Dec 10, 2:12 pm 2009 |
| Zafer Daştan | Re: SMP
hi,
is that possible to put all kernel (ip related ) tasks to cpu[0] and
all other userland task to rest of cpus ?
i viewed quickly but my knowledge very limited on this
regards
Zafer
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10.Ara.2009 tarihinde 02:05 saatinde, Robert <robert@openbsd.pap.st>
| Dec 10, 12:28 am 2009 |
| Joachim Schipper | Re: [OT] linker holes (was: SMP)
There was a recent FreeBSD vulnerability along those lines, see
http://www.mail-archive.com/full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk/msg38274.html.
Joachim
| Dec 10, 3:50 am 2009 |
| Robert | Re: SMP
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:46:25 -0700
| Dec 9, 5:05 pm 2009 |
| sysart | Re: IPv6 configuration issues
Yes, this was the problem. Now it works perfectly. ;-)
$ ping6 undeadly.org
PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2a01:238:426e:5c00::1 --> 2001:4978:129::1
16 bytes from 2001:4978:129::1, icmp_seq=0 hlim=54 time=162.324 ms
16 bytes from 2001:4978:129::1, icmp_seq=1 hlim=54 time=159.757 ms
16 bytes from 2001:4978:129::1, icmp_seq=2 hlim=54 time=159.22 ms
I know, this is a dirty trick but my webhoster needs a subnet of 0xffff0000 for internet connection and a subnet of 0xffffffff to reach other server in ...
| Dec 10, 12:25 am 2009 |
| Marco Peereboom | Re: softraid not building on boot
probably a crappy card or disks.
| Dec 10, 4:41 pm 2009 |
| nixlists | Re: softraid not building on boot
So in what cases does softraid degrade the mirror then, other than
pulling the disk out?
How is hardware mirror raid different?
Thanks.
| Dec 10, 1:21 pm 2009 |
| Marco Peereboom | Re: softraid not building on boot
There is no way to quantify that. You are the one that needs to
calculate the odds and see if they meet your expectations.
No telling on fsck/OS; could be from silent data corruption to looking
Dramatically.
| Dec 9, 9:54 pm 2009 |
| Marco Peereboom | Dec 10, 1:37 pm 2009 | |
| nixlists | Re: softraid not building on boot
What happens if the written data is not the same for some reason (and
what's the likelihood of this happening)? How does the OS and fsck
Parity helps quite a bit, heh?
| Dec 9, 9:10 pm 2009 |
| Marco Peereboom | Re: softraid not building on boot
I must not be making myself clear. No, softraid can and will not detect
that. Even if you know you only know that the data is bad; there are no
other hints that can be deduced from that knowledge. This can happen
when a drive returns corrupt data for whatever reason, be it hardware
failure or a failed previous write etc.
Let me repeat:
No telling on fsck/OS; could be from silent data corruption to looking
at a ddb prompt.
| Dec 10, 8:12 am 2009 |
| nixlists | Re: softraid not building on boot
Does this mean there's little advantage of hardware mirror raid over software?
So software mirror raid increases chances of data corruption while decreasing
the chances of downtime. True for hardware as well?
Hmmm. I've used hardware raid cards for mirrors that have the verify function.
It would be interesting to know how and what those cards do.
| Dec 10, 3:00 pm 2009 |
| Marco Peereboom | Re: softraid not building on boot
It isn't identical because softraid does not initialize raid 1 because
it doesn't matter. So all written data is the same but areas where the
Kind of. The short is that you can't guarantee this. Even if you
detect that 2 areas that should have been the same but are not you
You don't. This is where fsck and backups come in.
Note: this whole story is different with RAID 5 & RAID 6.
| Dec 9, 8:42 pm 2009 |
| nixlists | Re: softraid not building on boot
So softraid can't detect if the data is written differently to the
drives? In what sort of cases would one expect the mirror to become
corrupt? Kernel crash? Hardware crash? Does softraid detect this? What
failures does it detect?
Thanks.
| Dec 9, 10:39 pm 2009 |
| Marco Peereboom | Re: softraid not building on boot
There are pro and cons to both solutions. Pick what makes sense in your
They read the data to make sure the disk is working. If one disk is
failed they can rebuild that block from the remaining disk provided that
the remaining disk isn't corrupt or broken too. They assume that the
data that was read is accurate; if it isn't you are SOL.
They either don't detect or ignore blocks that are different because
they can not know which one is accurate (if any).
Verify for RAID 1 is mostly ...
| Dec 10, 4:00 pm 2009 |
| nixlists | Re: softraid not building on boot
Thanks a lot for this info. In the past I've had weird corruption of
files with a
raid card - some files on the volume would become corrupt, but the
corruption was limited
to files only. IOW the whole volume would be intact and I could write
and read new files to it
but as the time went some individual files would contain garbage
instead of real data. I wonder
what that was all about.
| Dec 10, 4:17 pm 2009 |
| Michal | Re: ComixWall terminated
So what...someone was wrong, someone's train of thought was wrong...so
what? Someone posts something and it's the wrong place...ok, say this
isn't the place and move on. If this person though they where helping
and people think they are not...well they have a different opinion but
really they haven't actually don't anything wrong. The way Theo spoke to
them in the e-mail was quite rude and you could say "oh well it's only
words" but then you can say "oh well it's only an announcement".
Ridiculing ...
| Dec 10, 5:21 am 2009 |
| FRLinux | Re: ComixWall terminated
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM, spamtester spamtester
nice troll
| Dec 10, 8:27 am 2009 |
| Jacob Meuser | Re: ComixWall terminated
what was wrong here was Soner Tari posting private emails to a public
mailing lists.
--
jakemsr@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
| Dec 10, 8:32 am 2009 |
| spamtester spamtester | Re: ComixWall terminated
Seriously, theo wtf ?
Here is a packaged version of openbsd which doesn't ask for donations
providing something which users clearly want.
if you can't see that users come in many shapes and forms you are seriously
*wrong*. I for one would suggest that comixwall moves to freebsd, due to
hypocrisy and selfishness of openbsd as shown on this list.
Openbsd slow "masterbating monkies", Always late to the security party (how
many years late for PIE ? etc.)
| Dec 10, 8:19 am 2009 |
| Brad Tilley | Re: ComixWall terminated
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:19 AM, spamtester spamtester
---
I think the point is that while users are very different, we should
learn how things happen here and respect that by adjusting our
behavior to better fit in. When privately asked not to do something,
just be polite and honor the request. That's it.
Brad
| Dec 10, 9:14 am 2009 |
| Artur Grabowski | Re: ComixWall terminated
The point of extortion is to hurt someone else. Suicide bombing
doesn't work when you do it in the middle of a desert.
//art
| Dec 10, 3:00 am 2009 |
| Christopher Hilton | Re: TiVo + AT&T/squid + web caching issue.
Agreed Bob but as a practical matter I won't be able to explain this problem
to my 80 year old father-in-law. Unfortunately that's a requirement if I want
to convince him to pay $10.00 more per month for the local CableTV internet
service provider. Sadly the person most affected here is my mother-in-law who
just wants her TiVo to work.
Furthermore he won't even take the money from me. His thinking is that if the
phone company can give him Internet Service for $35.00 / month then the ...
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