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The CD set showed up in today's mail (near Boston, Mass.) Dave -- Dave Anderson <dave@daveanderson.com>
I received ship notice this morning. So, after all, Oct 1st (-ish) did end up to be the release date(?). --patrick
Every release, we have tried to ship the CDs before the actual release date so that a large fraction of our users get them just bnfore the release date. We may have to open up the FTP servers slightly before November, to satisfy the users who purchased CDs and who now find themselves without a full set of 'packages'.. we will try to figure out what day. But we won't open up the ftp servers today. I want a sizeable percentage of purchasers to receive their product first. So we'll see how it goes.
Is setting a password on the new package hierarchy and including the password with the CD feasible or desired? -- rodd@polylogics.com "The avalanche has already started, it is too Rod Dorman late for the pebbles to vote." - Ambassador Kosh
Why don't we just wait until the packages are officially available from the team? I'm pretty sure it will be before or on the documented release date. Exclusivity is quite contradictory to the project's objectives.
Actually, I want to be a bit more long winded about this. Have you thought this through, at all? So we should go out and talk to all the ftp server admins, and have them set this up? OK, let's skip that, since it is too much work for PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTEER THEIR BANDWIDTH FOR YOU AND I AND EVERYONE ELSE. So, we'll set it up on only a few special ftp servers, and then they will get slammed off the internet when someone leaks that password. Yeah, that will sure encourage continued support from PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTEER THEIR BANDWIDTH FOR YOU AND I AND EVERYONE ELSE. So... did you think it through, or as is so typical these days, did you only think of yourself? For instance, OpenSSH hit it's 10 year and a total of 16 people donated in the last 48 hours. $1000 collected because of such a special occasion really is not going go to far. If $1000 is collected for such a special occasion, can anyone guess what the total is for a year? How do hackathons get run? Where does the magic come from? It's just another example of everyone only thinking of themselves, more so these days. Some days I want to just quit and say fuck it all. You, members of the world, deserve to live in the filth of telnet.
Nope, not at all. It was just an idea tossed out to: - see if it had any merit - perhaps spark some other thoughts on how to increase CD purchases - or to get flamed Its obvious which one you chose. -- rodd@polylogics.com "The avalanche has already started, it is too Rod Dorman late for the pebbles to vote." - Ambassador Kosh
I don't believe you. You suggested it because you only thought of your own benefit, not of the amount of work others would have to do.
Perhaps not everyone who uses OpenBSD has your depth of understanding of all these processes, Theo. You're obviously intimately acquainted with them, but it is possible Rod might not have been. You make very salient points about the suggestion being completely unfeasable, but it seems quite possible that Rod thought he was making a simple suggestion to solve a perceived problem. Reading between the lines, it seems likely that Rod is also a subscriber to the disc set and might perhaps feel a little taken aback at the vehemence of the response. And yes, it might be that he's just some schmoe with a mate who's gonna give him this password he's suggesting... But to assume that would also assume a much greater depth of thought than you've otherwise attributed.
You're right. Everything else which we do is so complicated, so why can't we coordinate 50+ people we don't know to setup special accounts on their ftp servers. Why can't we do something so trivial? Must be simple resistance. Or we must be utterly incompetent morons to not be able to do that! Good god! We're such morons, why trust us for anything at all. I am just plain fed up with the bullshit you cowards spew.
Well, I just don't care when you let it out. Wait another month if you want to. I only run official releases on my server, and 4.5, 4.4, 4.3, 4.2 and 4.1 never seemed even slightly "broken" to me! Things will be better with 4.6. Looking forward to it. But if someone simply MUST have a new feature, -current works just fine on my desktop. Thanks Theo and developers! Chris Bennett
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Chris Bennett I've never had a production version of OpenBSD crash for something that wasn't my fault or due to unsupported hardware. That's a testament to OpenBSD's stability and the quality of the work. I certainly agree with Theo on this one - when you start hiding things, people find ways around. Look at the number of WGA hacks on the Internet - it's because Microsoft sought to proactively protect their IP by blocking it from undesirable people. Such efforts served only to make such undesirables try harder, and when they apply this kind of passion 99% of the time they will succeed - even if you change it again it will again be broken. Microsoft jacked up their prices - people stopped paying and started pirating. Microsoft put blocks on their software in an attempt to prevent piracy, the pirates tried harder. Building walls to keep people in only serves to make them try harder to get over them. Make a system impenetrable to pirates, and a better pirate will come along and break it, and all they have to do is share this solution to make your "impenetrable" system useless. There's always a bigger fish, and if you keep trying to block them, you'll end up in an endless arms race against them. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Kudos to Theo and the team for sticking to their principles and releasing a fully functional OS without restrictions, without barriers, without any form of encumberment. I will buy a CD set when my finances allow me to, you have my word. Thanks for being awesome. -- Aaron Mason - Programmer, open source addict - Oh, why does everything I whip leave me?
Dude, it's $50. You could've made that in the time it took you to compose your email. I'm just sayin'.
Todd, Not everyone has so many clients that they can work at any time to earn more money. You don't know Aaron's financial situation, and I think your assumptions incredibly insulting. $50 may be pocket change to you, but for someone struggling to find money for rent, it is a lot. -Jeremy -- Jeremy Chase, N1JER http://weatherfinder.info/ On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Todd Alan Smith <
I'm also tied to a budget - my partner and I are getting married and therefore saving for that takes priority. Hopefully I'll have a full time job soon and will have a little more money to throw around. -- Aaron Mason - Programmer, open source addict - Oh, why does everything I whip leave me?
Maybe did I misunderstand anything but why not putting all packages of the latest release but the iso files on all public ftp's for a while, that should be easy enough and let purchasers of the CD have access to packages along with the release, if that is desired by the developpment team ; am I correct ? Regards
last friday in Hannover, Germany :) Many many thanks to the OpenBSD team for this (and all other) release! Great job, like ever.
You might find the list rather unreceptive to the Without a moment's reflection, and with nothing but a 'me me me me me' attitude aimed at nothing but trying to screw ever and ever more out of generous volunteers. This just gives users a bad name.
With all the hot air spewed on this thread, if we could tap into this theothermal energy there'd be practically unlimited funding available. Then everyone could take a break from the trivial work of updating an entire bloody operating system and tackle the real hard-core near-impossible challenge of automating FTP servers. Now if you'll excuse me while I go back to living in the filth of telnet...
I prearrange my order today! Hope to have Puffy on next days @ southamerica - Ecuador Thanks all! -- Atentamente Andris Genovez Tobar / Sistemas www.crice.org
Use ports. They work great. The only area I have issues with ports are on under-powered netbooks... takes forever to compile, otherwise no problems.
Maybe then open packages directory only, and leave base closed until
release date?
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Vadim Zhukov
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On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:26 PM, patrick keshishian <pkeshish@gmail.com>
arrived in burbank, ca (usa) today. thank you all!
tiny little "puffy" shrine:
http://sidster.com/gallery/misc/2009/obsd46-32-21-mugs.jpg
Oh man, I'd LOVE to give the 2.1 version a boot opportunity on i386. Just for the sake of curiosity. Anyone offering a copy? My 4.6 arrived here too, Cologne/Bonn area in Germany. Funny fact: the shipping notification email arrived one day after the package has been handed over to me by the postman. Canadian mail seems to kick ass compared to E-Mail ;) I can only encourage those who are still undecided: buy, or at least donate!
Here it says that 2.1 and others are sold out: http://www.openbsd.org/items.html#21 Maybe that's just something that needs to be corrected on the website?
Really? I do have a copy of 2.4 :) -- Sent from my mobile device http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk "This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity." -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. "Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted." -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30v_g83VHK4
I'm rich! I'm rich!! I'm rich!!! I'm rich because OpenBSD4.6 arrived last week. I'm also rich because I found all my early OpenBSD releases, that's release 2.1 to 3.1. Which includes the pricey OpenBSD2.1, OpenBSD2.2, OpenBSD2.3 & OpenBSD2.4 CDs. Now this is a problem. The cardboard-box-under-the-bed bank is possibly a little too insecure for such great treasures. I'll have to place them in a hermetically-sealed, lead-lined box and bury them in the garden. Sigh, and then forget where they are. Leaving some future fortunate to find this treasure trove long after I'm gone. Damn, I'll be worrying about this for some time. ...with great wealth comes great responsibilty...
Discs arrived to Donostia-San Sebastian, Basque Country, Spain, just some minutes ago. Thanks a lot to Theo and assorted developers and OpenBSD Europe for their impeccable work on delivering this wonderful OS just on time. Muchisimas gracias!
Disks arrived in Vancouver. I've just installed it on my laptop - it's great, and the bug I've had since forever with ath(4) is gone! (Now for suspend... :-) Many thanks to all the developers for this awesome release!
Yes, yes, yes! Also 4.6 arrived in East Frisia, Germany, yesterday from OpenBSDEurope. Great work. Especially, but not exclusively, the artwork ;-) ThX to all of you for this fine piece of OS. --- Andri
[...] When will my copy arrive? *sigh* The postal-mail system here in India works at a snail's pace, and I hope my mug arrives as a single-piece too. Thanks to all OpenBSD folks for a superb OS -- ever since I have started using it, I don't feel like going to anything else, though I am aware of "using the tool for the job". I try and mostly succeed in making OpenBSD do what I want it to do. :-) And all the folks on misc@, a thanks to you all too -- I have turned from a juvenile to a reasonable OpenBSD user due to all your support and help. -Amarendra Pune, India.
CD Showed up in San Antonio Texas on Monday, Oct. 6. Thank you Theo and all the developers. I appreciate and am grateful for the hard work and pride you put into OpenBSD. Thank You, Victor Camacho
And today in Tauranga, New Zealand. Thanks to Theo and all the developers and everyone behind this release. Been using OpenBSD in production use for 2+ years (firewalls, FTP, Samba file server), and on a number of desktops during 2009 - been absolutely rock solid. Thanks.
And today in Sydney, Australia. 2.5 to 4.6 now and determined to keep adding releases. Thanks, *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I <am> subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to reply off list. Thankyou. Rod/ --- This life is not the real thing. It is not even in Beta. If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it.
Got my copy on the 7th here in Utah. Just did my first new install. Have to say I think the new install process is really nice. I think OpenBSD might just be the fastest installing (new)OS out there, I didn't actually time it but it felt less than five minutes to up, configured and running (no_x11). Thank you to everyone that worked on this release. -- ESP
The CD set showed up today Thu Oct 15 11:04:39 CEST 2009 near Como, Italy, Europe. -- Mauro Rezzonico <mauro@ch23.org>, Como, Italia "Maybe this world is another planet's hell" - H.Huxley
my 4.6 arrived in the uk today from openbsd europe... thanks for the release to all developers. keep going! btw. my favourite 'looking' release to date. the cds looks cool. thank you -robbo
Same here in Coventry, UK. Cheers OpenBSD Europe! Is it me, or do the CD sets give the impression that over time Theo is becoming more and more Angry? Used to be the CD artwork was all about how Puffy saves the world from the morons, now he damns them all to hell and flies away... On the upside, I'm sure the cup of tea I'm currently drinking tastes better for being in a wireframe Puffy mug :-) Dave W
My turned up yesterday in Brighton, UK :D collected it from the post office depot today as there was customs duty to pay. Sevan / Venture37
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Dave Wilson Interesting take on this. So long as Theo continues his no compromise/no bullshit attitude and keeps the project truly free and secure, I will continue my support of the project (what little it may
I got my OpenBSD 4.6 cd set and T-shirt in the mail! I'm going strong with OpenBSD since 3.0. THANKS THEO and all the OpenBSD Developers and Community!!!!
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Got my CDs yesterday in Germany/Berlin - I can just repeat: thanks theo and thanks to every single openbsd devloper.
Hey, I'm not for a moment suggesting its a /bad/ thing. After all, angry people *get shit done*, which is no bad thing. SD
CDs just arrived at Hoorn, the Netherlands. Looking great indeed. Listening to the new track, sounding great too!! Many thanks to all who have made this and all previous releases possible! Jasper Valentijn -- We spend the first twelve months of our children's lives teaching them to walk and talk and the next twelve telling them to sit down and shut up.
Got mine in the USA yesterday. I agree, this release looks great. Thank you to everyone involved in getting another release done! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Ramaley Dial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540 Des Moines IA 50311 USA
