Why haven't the developers posted a formal annoncement clearifing

if the distributed BIND is vulnerable?
If so, where the hell is the patch?
-Nix Fan.

Pal, i believe you won't even BE affected by this issue. If so, it will

take time. Time enough for developers to correct it. There's having all

this fuss in the security community about this today. Didn't see any

saying they were affected. So why don't you cool down and let the dev's

do what they LIKE to do, they aren't paid for it, and must of people who

uses openbsd doesn't even thank them, not to mention support in any

kind. So take easy and watch very carefully what you write on this

mailing list, cause people won't be very happy with messages like this.
My 2 cents,
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Just curious, how much did you pay for your support contract? Clearly if

you feel you are so entitled to a quick patch you must have paid a

substantial sum in order to be so upset.
Though i've given a few meager donations to OpenBSD, i have not paid for

a support contract of any sort. Thus i am not entitled to any level of

service and will have to wait patiently and without complaint just like

everyone else.
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Love your gimme gimme attitude.  If you spent half a second thinking about this:
1). They didn't contact openbsd about this

2). Took them months to put the fix in

3). Takes time to figure out what the issue is, figure out how to fix

it, test, and deploy

4). Time that is not spend responding to gimme idiots, that is

5). Are you even running a caching server?
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Hehehe ;)
Furthermore you can see in the US-CERT that this VULN was:
Date First Published	07/08/2008 02:46:15 PM
As you know some developers may live outside .us in a different

timezone (and developers in .us/.ca have to work at this time).

So in e.g. Europe this was yesterdays evening.
You can accelerate proceedings by a) donating to OpenBSD

and b) - if you need this patch REALLY FAST - hire a paid

conslutant to develope the patch and send it to the list.
And OpenBSD doesn't have a SLA ...
So long,
Andreas.
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Windows 95: A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of

an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit

company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition.

I'm not one to condone shitty attitudes.
However, I think in this case it's unfair to claim that one can have

no expectations of OpenBSD with regards to security patches.  If I

could have no such expectations, I would not use OpenBSD in the first

place.  I have these expectations based on a very impressive security

history for which the OpenBSD developers deserve much in the way of

praise.
Additionally, loyal OpenBSD users may be interested in the details of

the vulnerability disclosure.  There very well maybe loyal OpenBSD

users who wish to very politely inform ISC that there are large

numbers of BIND users who would appreciate the same level of

cooperation between ISC and OpenBSD as ISC affords others.
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Andreas Maus

You know what I expect?
I expect the OpenBSD response will be excellent, and out on its own

timeframe.  Rushing a fix into place can be worse than not doing

anything at all.  I have no idea what they're doing, have no idea

with whom they may be talking.  But I know that it is being worked

on, and will be a reasoned response to the problem.
More than "expect", I trust OpenBSD.
--STeve Andre'

I expect the OpenBSD response will be excellent, and out on its own

timeframe.  Rushing a fix into place can be worse than not doing anything at

all.  I have no idea what they're doing, have no idea with whom they may be

talking.  But I know that it is being worked on, and will be a reasoned

response to the problem.
More than "expect", I trust OpenBSD. <<
My thoughts exactly.
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I have to agree with this guy.  The openBSD team all ways goes above and beyond what we see other vendors do.  The solutions have lasting value, rather then quick fixes that break a year later.  
Anybody else remember the nvidia close driver issue that Theo had foreseen years before it happened?  Trust these guys.  They will deliver.
Brian

And we will continue to try to stay ahead of the curve.  But please,

bear with me, because I see you want to talk about expectations.

Sure, let's talk about them.
First off, in this case just like in some other cases, you can

_expect_ to wait for a proper OpenBSD patch, since we are not solving

this by using the ISC solution.  There are reasons, and they are our

private reasons.
Meanwhile, I _expect_ that our developers will do a proper job, on

their own time schedule.
I also _expect_ that it will be the best solution to the problem.
I don't _expect_ that any pressure from our users will change their

process at all.
I don't _expect_ that any of this will change any of the attitudes of

people out there who are natural assholes, through and through, living

lives of vocal _expectation_ without anything else to back them up.
I don't _expect_ that any of them will go run some other operating

system, either.  I don't _expect_ that I would care if they did.
I _expect_ they will remain assholes tomorrow, and next week, and next

year too.
I don't _expect_ that any of those whiners have the skills to simply

go and get the stock bind from ISC themselves, install it on their

openbsd systems, and undo all the other hard work we've done in this

area.  I _expect_ that these people have difficulty running make.
I _expect_ that our developers will do the best job.  And I don't
Again, I don't see how you can _expect_ the developers to care

anything about this thing which you _expect_.  If we have private

discussions with ISC, then those are our private discussions.  If you

have reservations about some communications not being public or such,

then I can see that you _expect_ way too much.  Watch out -- having

_expectations_ can lead to developing a shitty attidude really

quickly.  When you get to that point, you can _expect_ us to not give

a shit.

easy, Theo.  I actually very much agree with you, and had not intended

to stir anything up here.  If users wish to get involved in an attempt

(regardless of how hopeless) to encourage third parties to cooperate

with OpenBSD developers, then you can certainly abstain from enabling

that kind of help if you so choose.  However, I wouldn't assign any

malice to those seeking information that might enable them to do so.
I think perhaps you have an inflated impression of my expectations of

OpenBSD and its dev team.  So far, *my* expectations have always been

met, and even if they were not, I wouldn't hold it against you or your

team anyway.  I understand the design philosophy behind "we make it

for ourselves, and if you find it useful, go ahead and use it."

However, if the users who buy the hardware pressure the hardware

manufacturers to cooperate with OpenBSD devs, they can be quite

helpful to the process.

The Cert Advisory document (the MS Word doc file) claims that "OpenBSD"

was notified on 2008-5-5 11:24:02.  Obviously I have no idea if this is

true.  Since it seems almost everyone was caught without a patch on

disclosure day, the notification list seems suspect.
The notification timeline in the document is somewhat interesting.

Microsoft was notified first (okay, I understand the guy works there).

A bunch of large corporations were notified on April 21, then ISC was

notified on April 29.  On May 5, it looks like they finally decided to

notify everyone else.
I'm guessing they don't like Nixu, NetApp and Dragonfly, since they were

notified on Thursday, July 3 (the day before a long weekend in the US),

with public release on Tuesday July 8.

You really should adjust your extremely pathetic attitude.