Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

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To: Amarendra Godbole <amarendra.godbole@...>
Cc: OpenBSD general usage list <misc@...>
Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 7:23 am

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:29:35 +0530
"Amarendra Godbole" wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:40 AM, Aaron Glenn
wrote:

This looks like about as good a place as any to stick my 3" worth in,
tho' Nick Guenther also comes close to the mark with his comments about
system "correctness". Linus is obviously worried about something of
more than passing import, and I think that he's begun to realize that
OBSD's "correctness" extends beyond code quality and technical security.

Linux is a Utopian product that carries substantial ideological baggage
rendering it's use problematic to business/commercial concerns _except_
by the largest of institutions. *BSD has a license structure that makes
it commercially safe for use by small/medium business... OpenBSD being
only the most consistent in this purpose with it's development of a genuine
engineering culture and product.

Utopian endevours all fall on their real intent to be all things to all
people, which, because of the inherent logical relationships of things like
consistency and completness, is a fruitless vanity. Such "Complete" systems
require the deep hypocrisy of limiting "everything and everyone" in order
to function at all. In political systems this is often evidenced by
"difficult" people just "disappearing" in ones and twos and droves.

Dhu (carry on in awareness!)

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This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Siju George, (Wed Jul 16, 1:33 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Joel Jose, (Fri Jul 18, 11:34 am)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Fergus Wilde, (Thu Jul 17, 4:45 am)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Aaron Glenn, (Wed Jul 16, 3:08 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Jason Dixon, (Wed Jul 16, 4:02 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, mcb, inc., (Wed Jul 16, 2:30 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Marcus Andree, (Wed Jul 16, 3:06 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Marco Peereboom, (Wed Jul 16, 2:19 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Denis Doroshenko, (Wed Jul 16, 2:07 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Giancarlo Razzolini, (Wed Jul 16, 2:45 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Paul de Weerd, (Wed Jul 16, 6:09 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Giancarlo Razzolini, (Thu Jul 17, 9:14 am)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Marco Peereboom, (Wed Jul 16, 3:05 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Giancarlo Razzolini, (Wed Jul 16, 3:34 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Marc Balmer, (Wed Jul 16, 2:33 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Marti Martinez, (Wed Jul 16, 2:27 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, STeve Andre', (Wed Jul 16, 1:53 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Marcus Andree, (Wed Jul 16, 2:14 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Nuno Magalhães, (Wed Jul 16, 2:47 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Marc Espie, (Wed Jul 16, 7:19 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Artur Grabowski, (Thu Jul 17, 5:13 am)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Sevan / Venture37, (Thu Jul 17, 9:22 am)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Maxim Belooussov, (Thu Jul 17, 3:39 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Giancarlo Razzolini, (Thu Jul 17, 9:42 am)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Shizzle Cash, (Thu Jul 17, 2:54 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Marc Balmer, (Thu Jul 17, 3:37 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Duncan Patton a Campbell, (Sun Jul 20, 7:42 am)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Guido Tschakert, (Thu Jul 24, 2:37 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Zamri Besar, (Sun Jul 20, 7:54 am)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Shizzle Cash, (Thu Jul 17, 6:27 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Sevan / Venture37, (Thu Jul 17, 6:12 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Jim Willis, (Thu Jul 17, 3:58 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Marcus Andree, (Thu Jul 17, 3:21 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Travers Buda, (Thu Jul 17, 1:40 am)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Sevan / Venture37, (Wed Jul 16, 11:37 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Nick Guenther, (Wed Jul 16, 4:10 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Kevin Wilcox, (Wed Jul 16, 3:58 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Steve Shockley, (Wed Jul 16, 3:14 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Marco Peereboom, (Wed Jul 16, 3:03 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Gregory Edigarov, (Thu Jul 17, 4:05 am)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Almir Karic, (Wed Jul 16, 4:34 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Marco Peereboom, (Wed Jul 16, 6:10 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Almir Karic, (Thu Jul 17, 4:27 am)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Aaron Glenn, (Wed Jul 16, 3:10 pm)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Amarendra Godbole, (Fri Jul 18, 7:59 am)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, Duncan Patton a Campbell, (Sun Jul 20, 7:23 am)
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd, (private) HKS, (Wed Jul 16, 2:04 pm)