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Andrew Klaus
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

Umm.. Well if the OS is properly documented, why would you need to ask the
question in the first place? It's one thing to read things for yourself
throroughly, and another to just take some answer given to you. I'm sure the
people saying RTFM would tell you to do that unless it wasn't actuall in
TFM...

OpenBSD's documentation is one of, if not, the best documented OS' out
there. Believe me, I've used quite a few.

Thanks for playing!

Jul 17, 7:43 pm 2008
Stephen Takacs
Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

Even javascript is completely unnecessary in many cases. I've yet to
see an online banking system that's usable via /usr/bin/lynx, even
though the browser supports both SSL and cookies.

And we're talking about a site you log into specifically to shift
numbers around... There need not be any images, videos, scripts, or
other bloat...

--
Stephen Takacs <perlhaq@gmail.com> http://perlguru.net/
4149 FD56 D078 C988 9027 1EB4 04CC F80F 72CB 09DA

Jul 17, 7:21 pm 2008
Francisco Valladolid...
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

I think the software if free ( freedom) each proyect has the freedom to do the best effort posibly. Think only in BSD world (Net, Free, Open) three BSD operating system with different goals.

If you want give credit to the Linus words then continue the thread, if no, it can be closed subject.

Mr. Torvalds is free to talk any thing, we are freedom to listen or no listen your bad words.

Regards.

ficovh

Jul 17, 5:30 pm 2008
Deanna Phillips
Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

This is what should go on the t-shirt.

Jul 17, 5:54 pm 2008
L. V. Lammert
Tomcat?

We may be looking at a project using Servlets, .. I see tomcat in packages,
but are there any 'gotchas' running on a normal production system? There
doesn't seem to be anything current in the archives (since 3.4).

Thanks!

Lee

Jul 17, 5:45 pm 2008
n0g0013
Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

On 17.07-14:16, Jason Dixon wrote:

jogl? but that is actually for client side rendering and not the
image manipulation that you appear to be talking about. there are
plenty of functions in the core java library that could also do the
image manipulaton. as i am sure you are well aware the trade-off
between transmitting the full image data to the client for manipulation
or transmitting a thumbnail and performing manipulations server-side
are application specific, not client specific.

of course,...

Jul 17, 4:34 pm 2008
Nick Guenther
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

(And some of us aren't ever planning on running businesses, but we
still are drawn by the elegance.)
(-Nick)

Jul 17, 3:42 pm 2008
William Stuart
CARP not leaving backup state

Hello all,

I am a new to OpenBSD but not *nix in general...

I have two systems running OpenBSD 4.2. It has 9 carp interfaces, and
has been running fine for months. All of a sudden, both systems are in
BACKUP state.

I have rebooted, shut down and restarted, run "ifconfig carp1 state
master", changed the sysctls, removed the hostname files, rebooted, then
replaced the hostname files, run with only one system up, fiddled with
the advskew and lots of other things.

Even with no other syst...

Jul 17, 2:21 pm 2008
William Stuart
CARP not leaving backup state

(Sorry if this is a dupe, not sure if you had to be a subscriber to send
to the list)

Hello all,

I am a new to OpenBSD but not *nix in general...

I have two systems running OpenBSD 4.2. It has 9 carp interfaces, and
has been running fine for months. All of a sudden, both systems are in
BACKUP state.

I halted one of the systems then on the remaining system rebooted, shut
down and restarted, run "ifconfig carp1 state master", changed the
sysctls, removed the hostname files, rebooted, t...

Jul 17, 2:51 pm 2008
n0g0013
Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

eh ... ok. i wasn't trying to be; i was trying to be funny but
apparently my linguistic skills are on a par with your own.

... but i was also making the point that if you "don't know anything
about Java client-side rendering" and are "not a flash or java developer"
perhaps you should refrain from spouting technical jargonese on the
subject. i know what you're getting but i don't think it's representative
of java or flash.

the primary reason for flash performing better is that it has better
...

Jul 17, 2:02 pm 2008
Dave
confirmed working wireless minipci cards at 54Mbps under Ope...

Hi all,

I'm looking to compile a list (of at least one :-) working minipci wireless card(s) which reliably run at the fastest supported speed under 802.11a or 802.11g on OpenBSD 4.3. The minipci card would be intended to run in a Soekris 5501 box.

I've read the OpenBSD docs and searched and read a lot of documents re: BSD support for such devices, but it seems a lot of people are only having success with speeds up to 11Mbps.

I am looking to get specific makes and models of minipci cards please!

...

Jul 17, 10:16 am 2008
Bill Traynor
Mailing List for SH Platform

Is there a SuperH platform specific mailing list?

I don't see it listed here: http://openbsd.org/mail.html in the Platform
Specific Lists section.

If not, should there be? I understand OpenBSD was ported to the LanDisk:
http://openbsd.org/landisk.html.

Thanks.

Jul 17, 9:56 am 2008
Dale Rahn
Re: Mailing List for SH Platform

There is no specific mailing list for landisk, direct the traffic to tech@.
If it is determined that there is enough landisk specific mail, a mailing
list would be created at that time.

Dale Rahn drahn@dalerahn.com

Jul 17, 10:43 am 2008
Diana Eichert
Re: Mailing List for SH Platform

FWIW, I've always posted all things related to sh (Plextors) on misc@. I
have about 6 of them running an older version of OpenBSD, probably the
first or second release.

diana

Jul 17, 5:19 pm 2008
Joel CARNAT
[ landisk ] - install w/o the serial console

Hello,

I have a serial console on my Plextor PX-EH40L which seems to be broken
now (no RX available). After quite a few testings of various OSes, the
disk is now blanked. Until I get a new serial console, I'd like to try
OpenBSD 4.4 on that disk. I couldn't find the procedure to manually
install OpenBSD on it. I'm not talking about the disklabel/fdisk/newfs/tar
part :) I can probably manage that one. I'm more concerned about making
the installation bootable.

Is the INSTALLBOOT(8) command enough ...

Jul 17, 9:43 am 2008
Diana Eichert
Re: [ landisk ] - install w/o the serial console

I dunno, never tried to blindly install on a Plextor, I got the serial
console working first.

diana

Jul 17, 2:11 pm 2008
Stephan A. Rickauer
OT: BSDanywhere mailing lists online

The BSDanywhere project has now its own bug tracker as well as two
mailing lists. No excuses for spamming the OpenBSD lists any longer ;)
See http://bsdanywhere.org for details.

Stephan

Jul 17, 9:42 am 2008
Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
Re: OT: BSDanywhere mailing lists online

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Stephan A. Rickauer

woohoo!!! this is cool. A few faq addition suggestions:
- what version of OpenBSD is this based on?
- how is this different from the jggimi discs?

-jf

--
In the meantime, here is your PSA:
"It's so hard to write a graphics driver that open-sourcing it would not
help."
-- Andrew Fear, Software Product Manager, NVIDIA Corporation
http://kerneltrap.org/node/7228

Jul 17, 10:08 am 2008
Josh Grosse
Re: OT: BSDanywhere mailing lists online

I can't speak to Stephan's recent changes; he and I spoke via e-mail just
before his "Beta 1" was packaged. I did look at Beta 1, but not newer ISOs,
I'll talk only to known differences with Beta 1.

We have the same purposes: OS familiarization and hardware testing.

1. My LiveCDs/LiveDVDs offer multiple workstation configurations, primarily
for Linux/OtherBSD users interested in gaining some familiarity with OpenBSD.
I also include a basic OS with nothing at all, primarily for use by Op...

Jul 17, 11:30 am 2008
Stuart Henderson Jul 17, 3:51 am 2008
Росен Петков
Re: in-kernel pppoe issue with username/password length

First and foremost because i've try it several times, always end with an error in setspppname. Second, i'm not the only one
facing
it ->
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/729287.html
at bottom of page "rhade" describes what he found. Third - when using guest:guest /ISP default user:pass / everything goes well. I forgot exact length, but
when experimenting
i think it was
ten
or
twelve /nine
is taken from link above/.

Jul 17, 3:01 am 2008
Ryan Corder
which to donate? (WAS: Re: problems with Areca ARC-1200)

Ultimately, the solution to my problem was to buy the next "step up"
card in Areca's line, the ARC-1210. I'm happy to report that it is
working flawlessly. The flip side is that I've had quite the
expensive experiment going here. I am now the owner of two 2-port
PCIe RAID cards -- one that is known not to work with OpenBSD and one
that should work but maybe needs some play time from the developers.

I would like to sell one and donate the other. Which one should I
donate to the OpenBSD devs an...

Jul 17, 2:50 am 2008
Jason Beaudoin
cross-compiling for NetBSD?

Hiya!

maybe I'll get flames for inquiring, but I'll try anyway:

has anyone attempted (maybe with success) building a NetBSD toolchain
on OpenBSD?

I understand that this might seem senseless to some folks, but it's a
good option for my situation. From the research I've done (archives,
google, etc) it doesn't appear that others have tried (or documented
trying), but I find it hard to believe that this hasn't been attempted
before.

I'd like to do this for the same reason you would cross-compil...

Jul 17, 12:16 am 2008
Ted Unangst
Re: cross-compiling for NetBSD?

This means your executable was not identified, and the kernel passed
it off as a shell script.

Jul 17, 2:01 pm 2008
Nick Guenther
Re: cross-compiling for NetBSD?

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Jason Beaudoin

The warning never kills the process. That warning is generated by
OpenBSD's modified ld(1). It looks like the error is in a shellscript
(perhaps `nbmake`?). Probably something is getting generated wrong
because OpenBSD doesn't work the way NetBSD's tools expect, but it's
hard to say any more.

-Nick

Jul 17, 1:40 pm 2008
my mail
Install VMware 5.5 or 6.0 at OpenBSD 4.3?

it's possible to do this?
install VMware 5.5 or 6 in OpenBSD 4.3?

i have found this link after google, but this for OpenBSD before 2003-10-13.

I want using OpenBSD for Desktop for my primary OS and then install Windows XP in VMware.

thx

Jul 16, 11:12 pm 2008
viq
Re: Install VMware 5.5 or 6.0 at OpenBSD 4.3?

Try having a look at qemu.
--
viq

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Jul 17, 3:46 am 2008
my mail
Re: Install VMware 5.5 or 6.0 at OpenBSD 4.3?

ok, will try it

if i use qemu i still use bridged networking like VMware ?

thx

Jul 17, 4:58 am 2008
Nick Guenther
Re: Install VMware 5.5 or 6.0 at OpenBSD 4.3?

Yes. You use the -net tap option. It's kind of painful the first time
through, so here's a guide to one way (but not the only way) to do it:
You have to edit /etc/qemu-ifup and change the ETHER variable to be
the interface you want to bridge to,
and you have to run qemu with sudo, or at least sufficiently
privileges for it to create a tun(4)

The default qemu-ifup shows using a trunk(4) interface. You could also
set that up, but I haven't done it so I won't risk trying to tell you
how to do it. R...

Jul 17, 12:56 pm 2008
viq
Re: Install VMware 5.5 or 6.0 at OpenBSD 4.3?

--
viq

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Jul 17, 5:50 am 2008
Rildo Cezar
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

Well, i agree with Razzolini.

Because the Linux problem is a "core" problem. It compromisse the whole
system.

Rcmp

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul de Weerd" <weerd@weirdnet.nl>
To: "Giancarlo Razzolini" <linux-fan@onda.com.br>
Cc: "Denis Doroshenko" <denis.doroshenko@gmail.com>; "misc"
<misc@openbsd.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 7:09 PM

Jul 16, 10:07 pm 2008
jared r r spiegel
uvm_mapent_alloc: out of static map entries

cri

on jul 11 snapshots now, have gone thru i think 2 or 3 snapshot iterations
since ~early/mid june.

first recorded/noticed incident of the
'uvm_mapent_alloc: out of static map entries' jobby was jun.16th while
running a DEBUG.MP kernel i had made in attempt to catch more info on a
panic we had seen (kernel/5799). we never did get that panic again, and
had seen a few weird silent lockups. i didn't have syslog setup to retain
logs forever back then so maybe there were UVM_ama...

Jul 16, 9:13 pm 2008
jared r r spiegel
Re: uvm_mapent_alloc: out of static map entries

cracked out again hardcore a bit ago (when it shits out it seems accurate
to call it a deadlock), so now am on:

OpenBSD 4.4-beta (GENERIC.MP) #800: Mon Jul 14 20:28:22 MDT 2008

--

jared

Jul 16, 11:16 pm 2008
L. V. Lammert
Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

Thanks for making my point! There's no good reason why git should require
X, so the package version should not.

Lee

Jul 16, 9:18 pm 2008
bofh
Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

Now I understand why there's so many issues in the world. Love you way you
deliberately misinterpret my words. I hope that's not what you do as chief
scientist at work.

But your argument is correct. There's no good reason why git should require
X. Go bitch at the upstream for including Wish. Tell them to separate it
out into two packages. git and git-gui. Let us know what Linus tells you.
KTHXHAND

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Jul 16, 8:00 pm 2008
Martin Schmitt
Re: Huawei E220 on ALIX

I plugged it into my development box (4.3) where it misbehaved as
expected (the umass driver is not in the GEODE kernel from Flashdist):

umass0 at uhub0 port 1 configuration 1 interface 2 "HUAWEI Technologies
HUAWEI Mobile" rev 1.10/0.00 addr 2
umass0: using SCSI over Bulk-Only
scsibus2 at umass0: 2 targets
umass0: BBB reset failed, STALLED
umass0: BBB reset failed, STALLED

I'll read up on checking out and building a -current kernel. Judging
from the commit log for umsm.c, it's the only way t...

Jul 17, 12:43 am 2008
Martin Schmitt
Re: Huawei E220 on ALIX

Got it!

# cu -s 115200 -l /dev/ttyU0
ati
Manufacturer: huawei
Model: E220
Revision: 11.110.05.00.00
IMEI: 355083018404928
+GCAP: +CGSM,+DS,+ES

OK

This is not on the ALIX yet, I'll get to that later.

Thanks,

-martin

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Jul 17, 1:17 am 2008
Alexandre Oliva
Re: GPL version 4

You can do that. There are lots of commercial products containing

You are mistaken in several levels.

1. Disrespecting others' freedoms is not a matter of freedom, it's a
matter of power.

2. Nothing in the GPL prevents you from doing any of this. If there
is something that prevents you from doing this, it's copyright law.
You won't find prohibitions in the GPL.

3. If you're unable to combine third-party GPL-incompatible software
with GPL software, it's because the third party prevented y...

Jul 17, 7:21 am 2008
Rod Whitworth
Re: GPL version 4

Blah, blah, blah.......
8>< snip loads of irrelevant shit.

Can all you bastards take this discussion to somewhere where it is
relevant instead of blindly CCing to all the addresses used by some
troll.

It is NOT pertinent to any OpenBSD, FreeBSD or NetBSD mailing list.
Thanks to all the "locals" who trimmed their reply targets. Well done.
Now let's starve the outsiders, please. They are oxygen thieves.

NOTE WELL: My sender address is limited to getting mail from the list
servers to which...

Jul 17, 8:38 am 2008
Kasper Sandberg
Re: GPL version 4

So you, as a liberated computer user, would like to, for business

Oh wait but thats not all, you expect these liberal computer users to
give you the chains which will then be used to hold them..

Oh and btw, for business strategic reasons, i now need to clean up my
keyboard due to an unfortunate drink accident involving me splurting out

Jul 16, 10:12 pm 2008
Jason Beaudoin
Re: GPL version 4

> Most of the people who have replied seem to be missing the point.

I just don't know what you brought the discussion to this mailing
list. If it is of serious concern to you, and if you haven't realized
that he probably won't care (or agree), talk to rms about this.

Either way, it's all your freedom of choice.
But bringing the conversation here seemed pointless.

Regards,
~Jason

Jul 16, 9:09 pm 2008
linux-os (Dick Johnson)
Re: GPL version 4

Nah. Should be
GPL V-infinity
That way there won't be any more.

Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.6.22.1 on an i686 machine (5588.29 BogoMips).
My book : http://www.AbominableFirebug.com/
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Jul 17, 5:17 pm 2008
jared r r spiegel
Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

check src/distrib/miniroot/install.{sh,sub}

--

jared

Jul 16, 10:09 pm 2008
J.C. Roberts Jul 17, 12:40 am 2008
Han Boetes
Re: GPL version 4

First ten hits on google show his name is brand new. And there is
no reference to specifically him anywhere else. In short, his
identity is fake. In other words, he is a troll.

# Han

Jul 17, 3:07 am 2008
ropers
Re: GPL version 4

Sufficiently clueless bragadocious pomposity is indistinguishable from trollery.

--ropers

Jul 17, 4:17 am 2008
Travers Buda
Re: GPL version 4

I'd like to present GPL version 10^100^100! (that's not an
exclaimation, that's a factorial.)

Over the years, clauses have been _removed_ from BSD-like licenses.
The GPL keeps getting things _added_.

*insert some sort of wisdom here about how this means BSD-like is better*

Reading (and actually understanding) the GPL could easily drive a
sane man, with no drug abuse or family history of mental illness,
completely insane due to its ever-increasing complexity.

--
Travers Buda

Jul 17, 1:51 am 2008
Joe S
Re: GPL version 4

That's scary. I'm staying indoors, shutting down any linux/windows
pc's and not leaving the house that day.

Jul 16, 9:03 pm 2008
Fergus Wilde
Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

"OpenBSD - proudly powered by primates' privates"

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Manchester
M3 1SB

Tel: 0161 834 7961
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