> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:04 AM, J.C. Roberts
> <list-jcr@designtools.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday 15 July 2008, GVG GVG wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, David Hill
> <dhill@mindcry.org> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote:
> > > > Use the size of your MTU, which can be found my using ifconfig.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > David Hill
> > >
> > > Thanks for your prompt reply.
> > >
> > > Just out of curiosity what's this 'MTU' stands for?
> > >
> >
> > MTU stands for Mark T Uemura, otherwise known as mtu@, an OpenBSD
> > developer who has been kind enough to do some fantastic
> write-ups and
> > interviews on the events and people of the two most recent
> hackathons.
> >
> >
> >
>
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=search&mode=&thres=&method=and&
> sort=time&query=mtu
> >
> > Now, all kidding aside, please look at the length of your
> question above
> > and compare it to the following URL:
> >
> >
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=MTU
> >
> > Yep, the URL is shorter. Answering your own question would have been
> > less typing, a whole lot faster, and far more complete than
> the simple
> > expansion of an abbreviation given to you in replies.
> >
> > The half dozen idiots posting replies with the correct
> answer to your
> > easily answered question have done a disservice to both you and
> > everyone else subscribed to this list. Mindlessly blurting out an
> > easily found answer is tantamount to bragging and makes the people
> > doing it look stupid since it shows they failed to think things
> > through. They robbed you of a chance to learn something on your own,
> > they cluttered the mail boxes of thousands of people, and
> worst of all,
> > they encouraged all the countless other people like you to be lazy.
> >
> > There's nothing wrong with not knowing things, but if
> you're unwilling
> > to at least try learning and try solving your own problems *before*
> > asking for help, then you obviously don't respect the time people
> > commit to writing software and helping others on these lists.
> >
> > The correct order of operation is Think, Search, Study, and
> Try. When
> > you've repeated the first four steps a few times and you're
> still at a
> > loss for an answer, only then take the fifth step of
> Asking. It's the
> > tough road to take rather than the easy way out, but in the
> end, you'll
> > be stronger and better for it.
> >
> > In a similar vein, you might find the following thread enlightening:
> >
http://marc.info/?t=121434202300006&r=1&w=2
> > Particularly:
> >
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=121434335503622&w=2
> >
> > Yep, this crap happens all the time. It's not just new
> people showing up
> > on the lists and not knowing the basics, but it's also long
> time users
> > like Paul and Josh forgetting the end result of being
> overly helpful.
> > Heck, if you search the list archives, you'll probably find places
> > where *I* have made the exact same mistakes.
> >
> > I may seem like a complete ass for pointing the obvious,
> but none the
> > less, all of the above are things you, and others, really
> need to learn
> > and remember.
> >
> > Kind Regards
> > jcr
> >
>
> this kind of replies do have a long tradition in this list -
> probably most
> of the times for a good reason! On the other hand, calling
> people idiots,
> isn't really polite, to put it mildly, neither serves any good cause!
>
> I fully agree with your definition of the correct order of
> operation and it
> wasn't my intension to abuse any resources. I don't know if
> you read the
> whole thread but my initial question was a bit different! I
> didn't just
> jumped-in with the question 'what's MTU'. It was a result of
> a kind reply to
> my problem and after looking the man pages, where this acronym wasn't
> defined, assumed that a generic term like this will, most
> probably, produce
> a lot of unrelated and misleading hits in Google. Proved
> wrong! Still this
> wasn't an outcome of being lazy doing my homework. As a
> result, I think you
> heavily exaggerate with your strong wording.
>
> Thanks
>
> George
>
