> On Tuesday 15 July 2008, GVG GVG wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, David Hill <dhill@mindcry.org> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote:
> > > Use the size of your MTU, which can be found my using ifconfig.
> > >
> > > --
> > > David Hill
> >
> > Thanks for your prompt reply.
> >
> > Just out of curiosity what's this 'MTU' stands for?
> >
>
> MTU stands for Mark T Uemura, otherwise known as mtu@, an OpenBSD
> developer who has been kind enough to do some fantastic write-ups and
> interviews on the events and people of the two most recent hackathons.
>
>
>
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=search&mode=&thres=&method=and&sort=time&query=mtu
>
> Now, all kidding aside, please look at the length of your question above
> and compare it to the following URL:
>
>
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=MTU
>
> Yep, the URL is shorter. Answering your own question would have been
> less typing, a whole lot faster, and far more complete than the simple
> expansion of an abbreviation given to you in replies.
>
> The half dozen idiots posting replies with the correct answer to your
> easily answered question have done a disservice to both you and
> everyone else subscribed to this list. Mindlessly blurting out an
> easily found answer is tantamount to bragging and makes the people
> doing it look stupid since it shows they failed to think things
> through. They robbed you of a chance to learn something on your own,
> they cluttered the mail boxes of thousands of people, and worst of all,
> they encouraged all the countless other people like you to be lazy.
>
> There's nothing wrong with not knowing things, but if you're unwilling
> to at least try learning and try solving your own problems *before*
> asking for help, then you obviously don't respect the time people
> commit to writing software and helping others on these lists.
>
> The correct order of operation is Think, Search, Study, and Try. When
> you've repeated the first four steps a few times and you're still at a
> loss for an answer, only then take the fifth step of Asking. It's the
> tough road to take rather than the easy way out, but in the end, you'll
> be stronger and better for it.
>
> In a similar vein, you might find the following thread enlightening:
>
http://marc.info/?t=121434202300006&r=1&w=2
> Particularly:
>
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=121434335503622&w=2
>
> Yep, this crap happens all the time. It's not just new people showing up
> on the lists and not knowing the basics, but it's also long time users
> like Paul and Josh forgetting the end result of being overly helpful.
> Heck, if you search the list archives, you'll probably find places
> where *I* have made the exact same mistakes.
>
> I may seem like a complete ass for pointing the obvious, but none the
> less, all of the above are things you, and others, really need to learn
> and remember.
>
> Kind Regards
> jcr
>
