I understand your perspective, zb, but there was a pile of charred

remains beside the door you walked through. You just didn't know to

look for it.  :-)
As a casual user, I mostly read what comes over the wire here and

buy/install new releases.  If you continue subscribing to this list

you'll often hear that OpenBSD exists at the pleasure of its

developers, not the users.  Absolutely.  They put in the time and

effort.  They would do so, presumably, if we users did not exist.  I

am quite happy they share their efforts because it makes my computing

experiences better and I've learned a lot by using OpenBSD.
The bottom line is that you are not the first person who posted to

this list only to leave crispy and fried around the edges.  Please, do

not take it hard.  You will _certainly_ not be the last.  Also, do not

request a change in tone or "atmosphere" on the list.  That's another

pile of toasted carcasses you'll trip over.  The old saying goes, "the

only stupid question is the one that you don't ask."  However, it

should be modified for OpenBSD as, "the only stupid question is the

one you don't research before you ask."  It's a tough crowd but in

time you start to understand why.
Gerald
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Zbigniew Baniewski  wrote:

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> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 05:17:23PM +0100, Wim Wauters wrote:

>

>  > I think you underestimate the importance of this "misc" mailing lists,

>  > this is not the place to demonstrate a lack of understanding of what

>  > OpenBSD is about

>  > or that you haven't read anything about the OpenBSD release system :-)

>

>  But I'm not here to demonstrate *anything*; I was supposing, that I can ask

>  here a question not covered by the FAQ's contents, for example (believe me,

>  there isn't any answer to the question: "why we chose such way").

>

>  And even, if I - or someone - will ask the question covered by any docs,

>  isn't just easier to skip it, giving no response at all, instead of wasting

>  time answering the question, which - as I understood from some answers -

>  perhaps isn't (from that person's point of view) worth any response?

>

>

>  > Out of personal interest: have you been using OpenBSD long, and what do

>  > you use it for?

>

>  Not too long - since about beginning of this year - and "using" is perhaps

>  a bit exaggeration at the moment, it should be rather: "I'm going to".

>

>  What for? I've found, that probably OpenBSD could be best replacement for my

>  earlier NetBSD-based installations, because - unfortunately - there still

>  are some problems with such basic things like PATA/SATA drivers (or USB),

>  which I'm unable to fix by myself, and the devs are currently busy with other

>  things.

>

>  OpenBSD just seems to be very well working on the hardware, which one can

>  obtain very cheaply nowadays - f.e. Slot1 motherboards, which are working

>  reliably, but aren't of any use for WinXP/Vista users now.

>

>  I must say, I was surprised, when I reported the problem with SATA, writing

>  in addition, that OpenBSD at the same hardware works without any problem.

>  And I've got an answer: "...but they just ported our driver".   :-O

>  --

>  ZB