On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 01:19:55AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:

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> I'm not telling Ted what to do at all, you're just assuming it in your

> blind fury over me coming out with the truth that most of *your*

> coding effort is directly or indirectly supported by non-developer

> users who do so by buying CDs, making monetary donations and the like.

So much for me trying to be nice.
My coding effort has nothing to do with users.  First I write something

that I enjoy writing; the fact that you like it or not is not really

relevant to me.  After I am done with it I give it away because I enjoy

that part too.  Now if the community has good suggestions I'll pick them

up and spend my time on those as well because I want/like it.
What the CDs pay for is a small part of the power bill to run CVS.  The

monetary donations is what pays for the rest of the project

infrastructure.  Nowhere in here is anyone getting paid to do this paid

for a living.  Your donations enable the community to be able to share

the fruits of developers work.
I'd like to know where this so called blind fury is.  I tried in the

nicest way to explain to you how this project works.  If you don't like

the way the project is run that is your decision.
> Marco you are an idiot, you should stick to coding, don't come in the

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> real world, you'll get wasted.

Yeah I should shun that thing called life altogether and put all my

effort in for thankless shits like you.  In this real world my employer

pays me for my monkey tricks and we have a mutual understanding that he

pays me enough for me to show up every morning.  Also in this world I

spend my time writing code that I give away.  Yes I am the beneficiary

of some donations for my time and effort but that is hardly relevant.
> That's why I called you an idiot.

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> The project is not a research project, but a real live production

> grade code working under Solaris 10.

They did not fix a real issue.  Slowlaris is a function of IO not of

network throughput.  Sun is very conservative with hardware so you

always purchase devices that could be considered obsolete by the time

Sun productizes them.  This is a choice that might or might not work for

you.
But you are right; they totally can market their unverified super duper

TCP/IP stack.  Good for them and they'll make some cash of it.  There

was no issue that got fixed though.  It worked well enough that the

marketing drones could sell it.
> So what you are saying is that what the god father of BSD file systems

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> (Marshal Kirk McKusik) is doing is wrong?

No.  I said that background fsck in it's incarnation in other projects

was implemented in a suboptimal way rendering the functionality useless.

Doing a background fsck takes about the same time as it takes for a

machine to be useful when doing a foreground fsck.  So you gained

nothing at increased levels of complexity.  The problem wasn't solved

correctly.  I don't know in how many more different ways I can put this.
> The investment is not just from me, its from all those users who don't

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> code, but still support the project by buying CDs, T-Shirts, make

> donations and help out developers by supporting their wish lists.

And developers are thankful for that.  Very thankful.
> Actually what Ted has done was utterly disastrous, he knows his own

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> code well enough to have completed it.

> BTW, you are as big an oaf as Richard Stallman, you keep ranting about

> how you've put in your blood, sweat and tears, but forget to

> understand the point that without us users you are nothing.

Ted's code was very nice however overall the system has some

limitations.  Those need to be fixed before rthreads can move forward.
I hate to tell you this but I can develop code all by myself for me

without sharing.  I don't need you in any way shape or form.  In fact I

share only what I consider useful to the community.  I have tons of code

that I don't share because you don't want it.  I develop that 100% for

my needs; how are you a part of that?  and why do I need you to do that?