On Feb 18, 2008 1:23 AM, Todd Alan Smith  wrote:

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> > Its good to know that Ted did indeed try to scratch an itch of his and

> > laid down some ground work for future developers to take it beyond its

> > basic level.

> > But, it would have been *nicer* if Ted had put in some more of his

> > time and effort to complete what he started.

> > Also, we don't get to use his code for FREE, I suppose most of the

> > users *buy* CD sets.

>

> The two sentences above demonstrate that you are clueless and, more

> importantly, ungrateful. I cannot fathom how you can say these things.

The point is not about being ungrateful at all.

I love OpenBSD and that's why I do what I can without being told about it.

If it was just about buying CD sets, don't you think I would've

purchased myself a copy of Ubuntu instead of OpenBSD?
> > Agreed, but wouldn't it be better if there was some kind-a list of

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> > features most requested by users who can't/don't code in C?

> > Then you core people could keep an eye on that list and think through

> > your problems keeping that detail in mind.

>

> This is offensive beyond reason.

Why is it offensive?? and especially beyond reason?
> > Nothing of that sort, I don't _expect_ developers to do what I ask

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> > for, in fact I've got very few needs above what the system is offering

> > me right now, just that it hurts to see rest of the projects getting

> > some nice features which we too would've got had the developers

> > focused and *completed* what they started.

>

> Again, offensive beyond reason. Who the fsck are you to tell someone

> to complete something which he was doing of his own accord and

> offering for free to the world at large?

You are contorting facts.

Ted *was* doing great work, just that he left his stuff unfinished.

There are people wanting to do something more based on his stuff.
> > > Newer features are always added.  You keep saying that there are no new

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> > > features ever added.  If that was the case how well do you think the os

> > > would work on new hardware?  Stop belittling the developers effort.

> >

> > I'm not belittling the developers, just that I really got irritated

> > when I lost 5 of the best developers (who were going to start work on

> > a new TCP/IP stack) I'd gathered because Ted lost interest in his own

> > work.

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> This last sentence of yours, Mayuresh, makes me believe that you have

> more at stake personally than you are owning up to. What do you care,

> really? And if these 5 best developers that you speak of quit because

> Ted lost interest, then how good could they really be? You are not

> being straight with the community and you are exceedingly ungrateful

> to boot.

Yes indeed, I've got more at stake that what I'm owning up to.

What's at stake is my reputation with those 5 developers whom I

managed to snare for OpenBSD.

I'd told them a lot about how good and dedicated the OpenBSD

developers are only to be delivered a low punch by one of its foremost

developers.
And then add to that weirdos like you who go off at tangents.

Yeah, it makes my day (sic).
~Mayuresh