Re: What is our ultimate goal??

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To: Zbigniew Baniewski <zb@...>
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Date: Sunday, February 17, 2008 - 12:03 pm

Zbigniew Baniewski wrote on Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 03:10:12PM +0100:

>>> Are they willing to take a suggestions from the users side?

Oh, that's an easy one.
1. Most suggestions go nowhere because those who like them lack
the skills or the time to implement them, or the time to acquire
the skills, or are too lazy; while those who have the skills
don't like them or prefer other uses for their time.
2. Many suggestions get shot down because someone having a word
in the matter stands up to say, "bad idea, don't do that".
3. Some suggestions provoke a "nice idea, i shall do that"
from someone who in fact (actually!) does it.

So, it's neither "yes" nor "no", but it depends on the suggestions
themselves and on those who might consider doing the work.
Keep in mind that time is ofter scarcer than fantastic ideas.
If you really doubt that, have a look at your own todo lists.
That's about all there is to it...

> During last 3 weeks I tried to contact 3 (yes, three) devs.

[...]

With due respect, but -
that sounds a bit like turning the world upside down:
Lots of work and confusion, but hardly any visible effect after the
settling of all the dust.

Certainly, choosing names (like /usr/local) isn't a big deal
in the first place. But you try to tell people to change the
meaning of names they are used to for decades.

Besides, it's mostly a non-issue. Probably, you are rarely
compiling stuff from source without using the ports tree.
In those few cases, specifying --prefix=/usr/mystuff or
whatever to ./configure, or whatever needs to be done for
that particular piece of software, is easy enough.
For example, i use /usr/usta for that purpose.
Yes, that's non-standard, but that's the whole point of it. ;-)

> It doesn't need any funding to fix this.

Except that "fixing" that "issue" has the potential to break all
the existing OpenBSD installations out there.

So that's probably a class 2 suggestion, except that people got
tired of repeating "bad idea".

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What is our ultimate goal??, Mayuresh Kathe, (Sun Feb 17, 8:03 am)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Duncan Patton a Campbell, (Tue Feb 19, 7:46 am)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Mayuresh Kathe, (Tue Feb 19, 8:50 am)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, knitti, (Thu Feb 21, 9:52 am)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, bofh, (Thu Feb 21, 10:43 am)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Miod Vallat, (Thu Feb 21, 11:18 am)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Marc Espie, (Fri Feb 22, 10:01 am)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Jacob Meuser, (Fri Feb 22, 3:43 pm)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Douglas A. Tutty, (Fri Feb 22, 5:04 pm)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Siegbert Marschall, (Sat Feb 23, 4:42 am)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Ted Unangst, (Tue Feb 19, 5:29 pm)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Mayuresh Kathe, (Tue Feb 19, 11:17 pm)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Duncan Patton a Campbell, (Wed Feb 20, 3:22 am)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, raven, (Tue Feb 19, 9:28 am)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, mcb, inc., (Sun Feb 17, 2:58 pm)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, John Nietzsche, (Mon Feb 18, 7:25 am)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Gregory Edigarov, (Mon Feb 18, 5:14 am)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Jussi Peltola, (Sun Feb 17, 6:55 pm)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, raven, (Sun Feb 17, 7:16 pm)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Marco Peereboom, (Sun Feb 17, 1:53 pm)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Mayuresh Kathe, (Sun Feb 17, 2:53 pm)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, David Higgs, (Sun Feb 17, 3:46 pm)
Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Mayuresh Kathe, (Sun Feb 17, 3:58 pm)
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Re: What is our ultimate goal??, Jason Dixon, (Sun Feb 17, 4:22 pm)
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