hello everyone,
i am sure many others of you have also noticed that there is

an smtpd in the works, but unlike the other projects in

progress (like opencvs) i am vainly waiting for an

announcement about it...  i realize it is not ready for use

but neither was opencvs when started so why the secrecy?
it is no doubt a controversial issue, and probably everyone

sees this coming, but i am going to ask anyway: why?
i am not sure if this is only a lightweight smtpd (without

esmtp), it's banner doesn't say so at the moment (can that be

changed please? even spamd does that :]) so as someone

involved in administering mail servers, i am asking, why make

another smtp server?  especially when:
0. is is HARD
1. it is being written from scratch by an OS team
2. sendmail being ferociously defended by team members

	everytime someone brings up the "lets change smtpd in

	base"
3. there is a wonderful alternative with a security

	record matched only by openbsd by a religiosly

	respected security researcher (so it is really

	not the case of "all the alternatives are bloated

	pieces of shit" like xntpd/snmpd/quagga etc)
4. there is a paper by the aforementioned researcher

	describing how hard is to make a full featured

	smtp deamon, and how long it takes for it to

	be mature (sorry, cant find the link atm)
5. development forces are stretched thin all the time
what is this smtpd going to add?  chroot?  privilege

seperation?  easy configuration?  great support on the mailing

list?  great documentation?  full support of the standard?

interoperation with other packages like ldap and sql?
postfix is one of the best example for all these.
or is this just about the license?

(i always thought the bsd crowds were far less zealous in this

respect and applied common sense as in use the right tool for

the right job.  i am not such a fanatic that adding a non-bsd

licensed package to my server will send me right to bsd hell.)
or will this be another project in the makings for ...
[ message continues ]

By the way, I like pf-like syntax of smtpd.conf a lot.

I am willing to give it hundreds of hours of my time because it is a fun

and interesting project, and I have free time.
As to the rest of the mail, I can't be bothered to answer it all, mostly

because I disliked the tone of it. If you want to know if it is ESMTP or

if it has chroot/privsep/whatever, you can either grep the sources or be

patient and wait until I write something up for undeadly, or ask it with

a less aggressive tone as I don't owe you any of my time.
Gilles
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                                    Please, contribute to my happiness ;)

                http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/2O09ACKR1A8HD/

while I wasn't a fan of the tone that came across in the original

email, I too am curious about this new development (and I have

complete confidence that smtpd will be a far better piece of work for

OpenBSD's needs :)
so, I would like to express my excitement and anticipation over a

future undeadly article, or whatever type of communication you send

forth, if it happens. If not, I look forward to stmpd's progress.

thank you for the great work!
oh.. is the stuffed puffy (seen in your photos) available for

purchase? I threw out my stress-tux, but my speaker needs a

replacement toy :P
thanks and appreciation for sharing your work and time!
~Jason

you can order the Pluffy from wim at
http://www.kd85.com/notforsale.html
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Mathias Reitinger               <mathias.reitinger@loop0.org>

and here: http://shop.msys.ch/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=43

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http://www.msys.ch/     http://www.vnode.ch/   "In God we trust, in C we code."

Pluffy appears to no longer be listed at

https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/order.eu (it was listed there a year

ago).

I wonder whether this is intentional?
Thanks and regards,

--ropers

i dont think my mail was more aggresive than the avarage misc@ mail

but this is rather subjective. i think my questions are relevant

and i never implied what one should/shouldnt do with their free time

or that anyone owes my anything.  if you don't want to answer, don't

answer.  i am sorry if my mail touched you personally, i dont mean to

belittle your work.  good luck with it, you picked a heavy fight.
-f

--

a hole is nothing but you can still break your neck in it.

oh, frantisek!
you are such a funnily foolish troll ;)
please keep entertaining us!  PLEASE!!!
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SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

doing my best since 2.6 :]
-f

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i'm a virgin, but i'm just not very good at it.

according to the OpenCON schedule (http://2008.opencon.org/2008/schedule/)

there will be a talk about it there.
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Mathias Reitinger               <mathias.reitinger@loop0.org>

good for the people of venice :]

i hope it's going to be recorded and the slides made available.
-f

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i am sick and tired of being sick and tired.