Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

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From: L
Date: Sunday, January 6, 2008 - 12:38 pm

Paul Greidanus wrote:

Or yeast, and trees, which can replicated - and plants, and anything 
with a stencil or a template, such as a tool like a socket, or clothing 
fabric.

Since plants can be easily replicated, why are we buying food from farmers?

Answer: because farmers need to make a living and they happen to charge 
us for the plants... they COULD charge us for something else, like their 
fuel.. but that is a loop hole.

Someone may say that farming food is much harder than farming software - 
but vegetables require no system administration, and are therefore 
superior - as they are automatic growing/replication machines without 
any salaries required to mess with the system administration and coding.

Furthermore,  software cannot be eaten - and food freedom is more 
important than software since the entire world is nearly hungry.

Someone may say that selling food is ethical... as food doesn't contain 
source code. But food could or should contain "source seeds" and "soil 
instructions" and other important data if we need to replicate the food. 
That is, it should contain those things if we apply GPL/GNU style 
philosophy. The cross breeding abilities of the food is also important - 
and clear instructions could/should be shipped with the food as to how 
the person crosbred so and so plants to get this particular breed of 
food. We are not given instructions how to plant the seeds or the best 
growing conditions and soil to use today, though. Why? because most food 
eaters do not care about the food source code. Yes a few of them care.. 
but not many.

As with software.. the same thing happens - there are only a tiny small 
percentage of people that care about the source code of the software. 
Yes it is nice to have the source.. but it is not UNETHICAL to ship 
someone a banana without the seeds, especially if the person eating the 
banana did not need the seeds. Grapes,  are a better example.... Grapes 
do not require seeds since they get between are teeth. Shipping GNU 
sources and long licenses with code gets in people's teeth too. That big 
annoying license that pops up.. and the big download of the sources.. 
can annoy 90 percent of people that don't care to see such stuff.

Shareware.. is like a grape without seeds and without a big list of 
instructions and history of the seeds and soil. Shareware, is still 
edible and ethical as a seedless grape is. As long as the grape will not 
kill me or harm me.. of course.  And many many shareware programs do not 
harm us.. just as seedless grapes do not. (I do not want to get into a 
conversation about Monsanto.. though).

Hardware is also superior to software in other ways - than just 
replicative abilities. I don't quite understand why everyone is so 
obsessed with replicative abilities. No matter how replicative software 
is, that does not make it as powerful as a table.. which lasts 20 years 
without any software maintenance. Therefore one could argue that a 
table, made of trees, should be free because of its superior power to 
hold up objects in thin air.. which software cannot do. Since software 
cannot hold objects up in thin air, it is lacking this magical quality. 
Just like how tables are lacking the magical quality of replicative 
power. Why is there so much focus on replicative power.. when freedom 
could be related to not just replicative power? No matter how 
replicative software is.. it will not ever be able to feed a physical 
person or hold up an object in thin air.

It's hard to see where I am coming from, because many people are so 
focused and set on this idea that the software is free because it is 
replicative. But if we turn the tables and say that the tables are free 
because the table holds objects in thin air.. a magical quality that 
software does not have... we can then start charging for software, but 
demand tables be given away free in cost and speech....

L505
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[Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 1:48 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 12:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Tue Jan 1, 2:24 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Tony Abernethy, (Tue Jan 1, 2:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Adrian Fisher, (Tue Jan 1, 2:58 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 1, 3:02 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Tue Jan 1, 4:04 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 1, 4:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Ray Percival, (Tue Jan 1, 4:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware] , L, (Tue Jan 1, 4:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], marina, (Tue Jan 1, 7:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 9:03 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], weingart, (Thu Jan 3, 10:28 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Fri Jan 4, 7:46 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Fri Jan 4, 9:25 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Fri Jan 4, 10:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Fri Jan 4, 10:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Sat Jan 5, 12:22 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sat Jan 5, 7:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sat Jan 5, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sat Jan 5, 9:57 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Sat Jan 5, 10:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Sat Jan 5, 2:52 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 1:09 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sun Jan 6, 2:40 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 3:46 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Dave Anderson, (Sun Jan 6, 9:32 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Sun Jan 6, 10:55 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 11:09 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 11:10 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sun Jan 6, 12:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 12:38 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 12:47 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 1:00 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 1:05 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Sun Jan 6, 4:30 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sun Jan 6, 6:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sun Jan 6, 7:28 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 4:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 4:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 4:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 4:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Mon Jan 7, 6:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 6:53 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 6:58 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Matthew Dempsky, (Mon Jan 7, 9:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 10:15 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 10:15 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 10:16 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], William Boshuck, (Mon Jan 7, 10:17 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], weingart, (Mon Jan 7, 10:40 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Mon Jan 7, 10:55 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Mon Jan 7, 12:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 12:29 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Gilles Chehade, (Mon Jan 7, 1:04 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Gilles Chehade, (Mon Jan 7, 1:23 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 10:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 10:39 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Eric Furman, (Tue Jan 8, 12:38 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], ropers, (Tue Jan 8, 5:15 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 5:20 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Tue Jan 8, 7:13 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Tue Jan 8, 8:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Tue Jan 8, 9:20 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Wed Jan 9, 4:04 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], bofh, (Wed Jan 9, 7:48 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Wed Jan 9, 8:44 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Wed Jan 9, 10:01 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Wed Jan 9, 11:44 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], kevin, (Wed Jan 9, 10:11 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Tony Abernethy, (Wed Jan 9, 10:42 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Thu Jan 10, 5:06 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Thu Jan 10, 6:56 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Thu Jan 10, 7:54 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Uwe Stuehler, (Mon Jan 14, 7:56 am)