On Jan 6, 2008 9:43 AM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Jan 6, 2008 4:25 AM, Gilles Chehade <gilles@evilkittens.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:42:16AM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
> > > > Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not
> > > > allow them to be redistributed with the system.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You are talking of free as in freedom and not price, right? If the
> > > whole point was to avoid paying $$$ in OpenBSD, my bad.
> > >
> >
> > What has money to do with this ?
> > You sound like you have issues understanding, so I will make it as simple
> > as I can, please take the time to read a few times, and make sure you get
> > it, before replying to this mail:
> >
> >         - vendor A sells hardware that requires a firmware
> >
> >         - OpenBSD wants to support that hardware and needs the firmware
> >                 to be shipped, say in /etc/firmware/, to have the
> >                 hardware work out of the box
> >
> >         - vendor A says "if a customer wants the firmware, he must go
> >                 to out website and fill a registration form online".
> >
> >         - OpenBSD does not ship the firmware because it is not free
> >                 enough.
> >
> > See ? This is an example, it is unrelated to money, and you still failed
> > to show us ONE point where we don't stick to our goals.
> >
>
> So registration form = non-free.

yes it is in the case. what's your problems is? if i have purchaised
hardware of this vendor (and with e.g notebooks WRT wifi there is
no much of a choise), why should i have trouble and *find a way*
to go to vendor's site to fill some dumb form (what for? i already
paid them) and then donwlonad the firmware and get my device
running. instead they could allow OpenBSD to redistrubute it
in a form as it is, and i could use my device the second kernel
initializes the device. that would be freedom for me, user of the
hardware. but the vendor wants to restrict my freedom by
making me going to the site otherwise i won't be able to use
the device. i have no choise. is it so complicated so it needs
to be chewed and put to your mouth so i could finally get it?

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> You failed to prove how it was not
> free. I asked if it required OpenBSD to pay money to a vendor, or the
> issue was about something else besides the money. I don't see the
> registration form being a problem here. Maybe they might simply take
> down your name and address for contact details or whatever. I don't
> see why a registration form must be non-free here.

the one who failed here is you. how old are you? you sound childish.

"The answer, as I have found out, to all my previous questions is the
notions of god that we have etched into our minds. This is where all
my questions end and I walk the path I know."

it sounds like you stopped learning and perhaps there is no point
to talk to you.