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To: OpenBSD-Misc <misc@...>, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms@...>
Cc: <rms@...>
Date: Saturday, January 5, 2008 - 2:34 pm

On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 05:53:40PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

I was making a generic statement.

> > According to YOU, it is okay to have emacs and gcc run on a proprietary

ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/ only contains software that can legally
be redistributed, not to mention that it is a repository for
software that a user *explicitely* installs, not something that
is part of the OS.

> 2) using more free software is better than not running it at all

this is a word play. I know people who used OpenBSD for a while
and stopped using it because a proprietary application they
depended on was not available; and i know people who would use
Linux/OpenBSD/whatever if emacs/gcc were not available and made
so easy to use on Windows, because gcc is centric to their
business and emacs integrates it so well.

If the proprietary application was available, the lost openbsd
users would be using *far more* free applications than the ones
that are currently using emacs/gcc on Windows.

> 4) FYI I think the wine project is counter-productive as it enables

I don't follow the wine project and I don't know how well it works,
but getting Windows applications to run under a free system looks
very productive to me. It means that I can remove Windows from my
workstation without preventing my girlfriend from doing her work
or changing her habits. And as a strange side-effect, she would be
using a free system and many other free utilities.

> > By providing emacs and gcc for windows you encourage people to run just

I have not said such a thing and you are playing words again to prove
some point. If an OpenBSD user needs a package for work and does not
find it, he will switch to another system because he needs his work done.

For the convenience of these users, we provide a subsystem that allows
them to install the software they need and *that is not shipped with
our system*.

The packages in our ftp are packages we are legally allowed to distribute
and are not part of the system. Users need to explicitely install them if
they want so.

Now, please, I suggest you get familiar with the goals and policy pages
because you tend to mix OpenBSD goals with the ones from the FSF.

> > > Anyways, most of your emails have been so rude that in afterthought I

It saddens me, but your (that's you and mr Stallman) attitude is very
irritating. I would suggest, for the benefit of all, that you both leave
as it would lessen your frustration and my irritation ...

Gilles

--
Gilles Chehade

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Re: Richard Stallman..., Gary Baluha, (Mon Jan 7, 11:10 am)
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Re: Richard Stallman..., Gary Baluha, (Mon Jan 7, 11:04 am)
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