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Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

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Date: Saturday, January 5, 2008 - 1:54 am

If something is harder to copy, it is ethically ok to have a different
      standard for this piece of technology.

    Seriously, that's what you're saying above.  Because hardware may have
    to be copied by hand, you consider them ethically not the same.

Yes, that's my position, for 20 years or more.  I think that's the
right place to make the distinction: between "you can copy it
yourself" and "somebody can build more of them".

    First of all, VHDL/Verilog are source code.  Don't look anything like a
    plan.

The crucial thing about source code is that you can compile it and run
it.  (And also that you can edit it -- which can be done with
VHDL/Verilog code.)

	   Also, you don't need your very own fab.  There are plenty of fabs
    out there that will gladly take your source/plan and turn it into a nice
    chip or two for you.  It's even semi-affordable if you stick to the larger
    feature sizes.

I don't think this brings us to the point where hardware plans become
morally equivalent to software.

Perhaps in the future there will come a time when we can all copy
computer hardware, or all produce computer hardware from plans (in
VHDL or whatever form).  At that point I will conclude that we should
insist on making hardware from free plans.

In the mean time, however, I don't think we need to do this.
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[Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 4:48 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Tue Jan 1, 5:24 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Adrian Fisher, (Tue Jan 1, 5:58 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Wed Jan 2, 12:03 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], , (Thu Jan 3, 1:28 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sat Jan 5, 1:54 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sat Jan 5, 12:57 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Sat Jan 5, 5:52 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 2:10 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Uwe Stuehler, (Mon Jan 14, 10:56 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sun Jan 6, 10:28 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sun Jan 6, 9:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 1:15 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 1:39 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 3:29 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 4:00 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 4:05 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sun Jan 6, 3:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], William Boshuck, (Mon Jan 7, 1:17 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 9:53 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sat Jan 5, 1:54 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Sat Jan 5, 3:22 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sat Jan 5, 10:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 4:09 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Dave Anderson, (Sun Jan 6, 12:32 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 1:16 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sun Jan 6, 5:40 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 2:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 3:47 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Sun Jan 6, 1:55 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 1:15 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Gilles Chehade, (Mon Jan 7, 4:04 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], , (Mon Jan 7, 1:40 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Mon Jan 7, 1:55 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 3:38 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Eric Furman, (Tue Jan 8, 3:38 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 8:20 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Wed Jan 9, 11:44 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Wed Jan 9, 2:44 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], , (Thu Jan 10, 1:11 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Thu Jan 10, 8:06 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Thu Jan 10, 10:54 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Tony Abernethy, (Thu Jan 10, 1:42 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Thu Jan 10, 9:56 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Wed Jan 9, 1:01 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], bofh, (Wed Jan 9, 10:48 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Tue Jan 8, 10:13 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Wed Jan 9, 7:04 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Tue Jan 8, 11:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Wed Jan 9, 12:20 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Mon Jan 7, 9:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Mon Jan 7, 3:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Fri Jan 4, 10:46 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sat Jan 5, 10:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Sat Jan 5, 1:05 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 6:46 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Sun Jan 6, 7:30 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 1:31 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 9:58 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Gilles Chehade, (Mon Jan 7, 4:23 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Matthew Dempsky, (Mon Jan 7, 12:49 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 1, 7:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Tue Jan 1, 7:04 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], , (Tue Jan 1, 10:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Ray Percival, (Tue Jan 1, 7:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Tony Abernethy, (Tue Jan 1, 5:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], ropers, (Tue Jan 8, 8:15 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 3:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware] , L, (Tue Jan 1, 7:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Fri Jan 4, 12:25 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 1, 6:02 pm)
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